Infinity

[xelasnave]

You would have had to be a genius to do a simple multiplication it seems to me... anyways I will look into their math history more but I read a little today ..mmm yes zero so simple now but before it...
alex

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by renormalised

They think they can refute it, Craig, because they have absolutely no understanding of it in the first place. If they understood the logic, even something as simple as 1+1=2, they'd know why they can't refute the rationale.

In my travels, I have seen refutation of the applicability of maths, in this case, Relativity, to the real world. The "logic" employed was based on Aristotlean logic (and other philosophical streams). If the maths was not based on observed phenomena (dilation, length contraction), then logically, the perceived resultant of this maths (ie: the physical technology), can be deduced to simply operate independently of the maths.

The maths works ok in isolation, but is unrelated to the functions of the physical technology because of the perceived lack of evidence of the phenomenon on which it was predicated. (Never mind that Lorentz contracted particle bunching calculations work and GPS systems are adjusted for time dilation).

So, it seems that we humans merely stumbled upon ways to make particle accelerators "just work" independently of any mathematical formalism used in their construction.

Such logic completely disregards everything we (reasonably) take for granted !

That such people/thinking can exist, is beyond the incomprehensible !

Cheers

[renormalised (Carl)]

Like I've mentioned so many times.....a great many just can't handle certain subjects because their minds don't work in a way that they can understand those subjects. They still think the Earth is flat, is at the centre of everything and we have crystal spheres and epicycles...their minds are still stuck in ancient history whilst their bodies are in the 21st Century.

[xelasnave]

I am sure members think I am joking when I say there is a flat earth site....here is the link...here words fail me.http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

alex

[xelasnave]

I had to look at their forum...dam good stuff...but this is typical.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/f...?topic=49614.0

what can you say? could any of these folk be neighbours or work coleagues ...
alex

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I am sure members think I am joking when I say there is a flat earth site....here is the link...here words fail me.http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

alex

Very "enlightening" Alex.

It has always puzzled me how pseudosciences operate under the principle that bashing mainstream science is a validation of one's own ideas.

Regards

Steven

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by sjastro

Very "enlightening" Alex.

It has always puzzled me how pseudosciences operate under the principle that bashing mainstream science is a validation of one's own ideas.

Regards

Steven

Using mainstream science as a punching bag makes them feel good about themselves. It's a crutch to help make them forget about how intellectually inadequate they all are

Just like school bullies

[renormalised (Carl)]

However, being frank about this, just like their TBolts/EU brethren, they're a joke. A bunch of modern idiots following the psychotic babble of 19th Century crackpots.

Most would have to join something like this as a bit of a laugh...if they were serious about it...........

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by sjastro

Very "enlightening" Alex.

It has always puzzled me how pseudosciences operate under the principle that bashing mainstream science is a validation of one's own ideas.

Regards

Steven

Steven on the basis that it takes a man to admit where he has gone wrong I say that I have been guilty of such an approach, fortunately the sites I carried on so badly are gone and hopefully all that I have said with it. So only my rants on iceinspace remain and here I will demonstrate certainly a more enlightended alex.
And Steven I have you for the great part to thank you have always kept me honest.
My gravity trip has been most strange teaching me many things one that perhaps I present differently to the humble person I hold as my self image.
And strangly my thinking about trajectories has me thinking how to define them and guess what I see them represented by wave forms even though I dont see wave forms in my reality and then I seperate them into packets and realise each of those packets could be represented as one cycle of a wave... and I then thought maybe there is something in string theory after all...so who would think this day would ever arrive...
Doesnt mean that I still wont ask questions but the more I learn the more questions it is a geometric progression of demand for information.
But how good is the net to be able to chat with folk of like minded intererests.
I came to this site for astronomy so this forum is a great thing for me.
I joined Physics.org years ago to read but felt out of place where as here its ok.

Thanks again Steven you have made a massive contribution to my ability to learn.

alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by renormalised

Using mainstream science as a punching bag makes them feel good about themselves. It's a crutch to help make them forget about how intellectually inadequate they all are

Just like school bullies

Carl as I said to Steven I have been guilty of such bad behaviour...I have never felt intellectually inadequate or inadequate in any way which I regarded as self confidence others regarded as standoverish...Carl you also have been inspirational as have so many here I can never thank everyone enough.

I am in the bush been alone for how long I dont know and this is my only outside contact at the moment so sorry for getting personal. I have got only one solar panel 100 amp battery which is flat and I get to transmit if the Sun shines for a while...so no surfing radio tv etc is why you guys get a bucket load ..sorry.

alex

[xelasnave]

I can see why this could do ones head in.
Having determined geometricaly the trajectories are infinite we need to measure the energy in both directions so we now need to multiply infinity by two...however to bring a finite in would be to limit the end limit of a tradjectory to a lenght the same as the diameter of the observable universe..which would be a huge number ... but as high as the probability of infinite energy arrived at from the suggestion of infinite probability that probaility may not occur at a certain point in time therefore a real observation may reveal no energy packet can be observed from any tradjectory or no energy at all...
Glad I got that off my chest.
Just enjoying the math stuff I have been reading.
alex