Base load power

[Hagar (Doug)]

Originally Posted by Jeffkop

I hears ya Dougie ... I hears ya.

Isnt it interesting tho, how you can have such polarized view points in these types of debates. One side sees the absolute solution ineffective but money grabbing slant and the other sees the exact opposite all totally committed in their opinions.

Interesting debate or at least discussion. For me though I have a distinct distrust for our political parties. Both sides of politics seem to be only interested in the power and prestige that goes ith their positions.

It would be interesting to actually get a political party which actually had a mandate to correct what was wrong and did it without continually needing money from us all. We are in my opinion, over taxed, over governed and over burdened with political speak to a point where a minor party as in the Greens can dictate to the Government of the day on matters which are detrimental to our way of life.

We should be self sufficient and a very wealthy country with resources and the like but are now being considered as fools by the likes of India and China who continue to rape and pillage as they see fit.

Our pensioners already eat rice as a staple and the way we are heading the rest of us won't be far behind. China will have our steak and we will have their Rice. I'm glad I'm getting old but God help our kids.

[marki]

Things will only change when we stop voting for bloody lawyers. Only then will political decisions start to make sense for the rest of us.


Mark

[Peter Ward]

If you have 15 minutes, this is a very cool video on the merits of Thorium based energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUeBSoEnRk

Australia has the worlds biggest reserves of the stuff. One wonders when the Arts-law-media types will finally get this on their radar....

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

If you have 15 minutes, this is a very cool video on the merits of Thorium based energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUeBSoEnRk

Australia has the worlds biggest reserves of the stuff. One wonders when the Arts-law-media types will finally get this on their radar....

Probably never.....I doubt they've even heard of Thorium. If they have, they probably think it's some type of medicine

Or something to do with the movie, Thor

[Peter Ward]

If you think Australia could benefit from thorium power, well, tell people. Discuss it at the table, in the pub, email the media and your local MP.

Make up a web site. Facebook and twitter it. Get it out there.

BTW.... Has anyone noticed to help people on low incomes with the carbon tax, middle income tax rates are going up?

[marki]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

BTW.... Has anyone noticed to help people on low incomes with the carbon tax, middle income tax rates are going up?

Yes it is called a double whammy, everyone can now be poor except the few elite.

Mark

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by marki

Yes it is called a double whammy, everyone can now be poor except the few elite.

Mark

It's always the way....help out their rich mates and shaft everyone else, including those they want you to think they're helping out.

[Hagar (Doug)]

I have just had a look at the climate change website. Looks like I am one of the fortunate few. I get to work 0n average 55 hours per week, I get to pay during the 2011-2012 tax year a tax to rebuild QLD of about $750 then in the next year I also get to pay an estimated $745 for carbon and the government kindly privide me with a $3 tax subsidy for the year. (directly from their estimator) https://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au...nce-estimator/
Also included is the fact that the website provides assistance for energy saving products and services but we are sorry the $300,000,000 alocated for this is only for low income households and you don't qualify. Seems like I am just very fortunate and get to support lots of nuf nufs who don't want to work. Maybe I better up my hours to 60/week to keep another family warm. I won't need heating because I'll be at work.

If all this crap is fair and just I'll go he.

I don't particularly like any of the political parties but have in the past always voted Labour. That regime just ended. Liberal party here I come. And as for the Greens. Make Australia better, plant a greeny preferably 6 foot under and cap with concrete.

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by marki

Things will only change when we stop voting for bloody lawyers. Only then will political decisions start to make sense for the rest of us. From an email I got entitled Julia's prayer

Ho hum. That one gets recycled every time Labor wins an election. I certainly heard it when Hawke was elected but perhaps it was also around for Gough. So much for originallity.

As for electing lawyers perhaps a country is like a high-technology company? You know the life cycle. A company is started by talented engineer(s) who have come up with a great product. The company grows and soon administering it is too much for the engineers and the job is taken over by accountants. The accountants think that reducing costs is the path to success, since success in their eyes is measured in $ and not quality (I've seen this - see below). So they cut corners, use cheaper parts, have less QA etc. So the customers become unhappy, some have issues that lead to litigation and the rest just go elsewhere. The legal costs and reduced cash-flow means creditors aren't paid and they start litigation. So the company winds up being run by lawyers who spend their time fighting legal fires. Eventually it is wound up or bought out by a conglomerate who absorb the good bits and make staff redundant.

So if a country is being run by lawyers what does it say about the state of the country??

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We recently bought a nice shiny mass spectrometer worth about $500,000. While it was being installed it came up on a mailing list that some people had been having problems with a certain part. The installation technician explained to me that this part used to be made of stainless steel and never wore out but it is now being made of aluminium. The cost saving is a few $100s but the time and effort in finding the problem and replacing the worn out parts with the stainless steel version costs the owner $1000s and tarnishes the reputation of the instrument. The technician was quite (how shall I put it ...) unhappy about this because technicians care about good solid reliable instruments. Clearly they are not the ones making these decisions. [When dealing with instrument companies the technicians are my friend - the salesmen are the enemy!]

[TrevorW]

We can be called the Robin Hood Country

get my drift

although I don't think the red head would qualify as Maid Marion

but the other lot could be men in tights

[marki]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

Ho hum. That one gets recycled every time Labor wins an election. I certainly heard it when Hawke was elected but perhaps it was also around for Gough. So much for originallity.

I did not lay claim to writing it if you read my post properly but yet it is still totally relevent.......wonder if that tells you something??? Oh and sobbing in public when the going gets tough thats another goody instituted by Sob Squawk, just wait till they try and pull that one........oops that was last night . Just to make it clear I do not support any political party they are all as corruptable as each other. No doubt if Abbot and Co was in power the same anouncement would be made only from a set of budgie smugglers competing in a triathlon at the beach. These thorium based reactors sound good though don't they.



Mark

[Paul Haese]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

BTW.... Has anyone noticed to help people on low incomes with the carbon tax, middle income tax rates are going up?

Yes my tax is going up, after it went down with the libs. Everything is around the wrong way.

Just heard on ABC news that forests currently absorb 2/3rd of our emissions a year. This is more than was previously thought. I don't have a source I just saw the announcer on ABC tell me. Aunty is hardly ever wrong.

[Hagar (Doug)]

Not a right wing nutter yet but it's coming fast. Just practicing at the moment. Still a few tax hits before the next election.

Maybe the greens will legislate a few seats for themselves.

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by richardda1st

What a weird lot most of you right wing nuters are...........
Richard

Who are you calling a right wing nutters?

I simply don't want pay a tax that will, as far as I can tell, have zero effect on the environment and create rooms full of bureaucrats.

I think climate change is real. I also believe there are zippo "real" base-load alternatives being floated in Oz at present to help reduce our impact on the environment. (PV solar and flatulence...sorry..wind)

If someone is going to take a fair percentage of my wages, via tax, I'd at least like to know they will spend it wisely....eg develop a better power generation technology, rather than give it to someone on a lower income as compensation for an artificially orchestrated price-rise.

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

come on guys lets keep it civil remember what we all come here for Astronomy

[Hagar (Doug)]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

Who are you calling a right wing nutters?

I simply don't want pay a tax that will, as far as I can tell, have zero effect on the environment and create rooms full of bureaucrats.

I think climate change is real. I also believe there are zippo "real" base-load alternatives being floated in Oz at present to help reduce our impact on the environment. (PV solar and flatulence...sorry..wind)

If someone is going to take a fair percentage of my wages, via tax, I'd at least like to know they will spend it wisely....eg develop a better power generation technology, rather than give it to someone on a lower income as compensation for an artificially orchestrated price-rise.

I couldn't agree more Peter. Working in the power industry I can tell you there is a huge scurry for the industry to get it's hands on the money. All electricity companies are planning and have been planning the spending spree for some time. That is if there is any money left after the cost of managing the tax by the bureaucrats and their shinny bumbed mates.

[TrevorW]

Marc I'm surprised this one stayed open so long are the mod's on holiday

Peter nice link on Thorium didn't know about this one but doesn't surprise me one bit that it has never been taken up as a viable energy source

maybe we should all go back to wood fires for cooking and warmth, candles or oil lamps for light, Coolgardie coolers for keeping our food cold, listen to the radio (pedal driven or course) or stand around a piano singing songs at night or a good game of scrabble, the kids can play outside after school until it gets dark, no TV, no video games, no computers, no dishwashers, no washing machines, no electric cooking ranges, no air con, cold showers and if they are hot in summer tell them to go under the sprinkler (water bans considering) or cold in winter to put on a jumper like we did as kids.

technology has only created all these marketable devices that make our life easier yet they all are powered by electricity

so we stop buying these items becasue we can't afford to run them

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

Marc I'm surprised this one stayed open so long are the mod's on holiday

Hey Trev, there's been a lot of valuable info and feedback in this thread. Heaps of links to good resources too. I really enjoyed it so far. Sure there's been a bit of pollie bashing there and there but it's all in good fun. But there seems to always be one trouble maker with absolutely nothing positive to say lashing out personal attacks and trying to stuff it up for the rest of us. So I'd hate to see this one closed. It's ticking along nicely still.

[iceman (Mike)]

I've deleted the trouble-making posts and re-opened the thread.

I'm as surprised as everyone that this has stayed as civil as it has

Pleasantly surprised!

If anyone comes in with an agenda of personal attacks and rubbish in an attempt to simply get the thread locked, will find themselves locked out.

First and last warning Richardda1st.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by iceman

I've deleted the trouble-making posts and re-opened the thread.

I'm as surprised as everyone that this has stayed as civil as it has

Pleasantly surprised!

If anyone comes in with an agenda of personal attacks and rubbish in an attempt to simply get the thread locked, will find themselves locked out.

First and last warning Richardda1st.

You legend!