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19-02-2011, 02:34 PM
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Newbie with actitude
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Hi all,
I haven't read all the posts, and I can't comment much as I'm not the best at english, as you might know
Anyway, here the situation is much worse. American influence has stolen us the "¿" symbol, so we're using only the "?" symbol at the end of a question... not only in chats or e-mail (which is wrong), but also in tv news, advertising... and even in newspaper articles.
We also use the "ñ" letter and accentuation (á, é, í...)... but I'm wondering how long this will last...
Cheers.
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19-02-2011, 02:55 PM
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Unpredictable
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Australia
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There are cultures who have fought vehemently to preserve their language in its original form. Eg: Quebec, Canada .. and their version of French.
Thesedays, I understand that the folk from modern France, find the modern Quebecer's spoken language, quite strange. They can still communicate verbally with no problems, but there are differences arising from Quebec's French being isolated from European French, for as long as it has (in spite of France being the origin for it).
Both cultures go on fighting to preserve their changing languages (presumably from incursions as those mentioned in this thread).
I wonder what the long term outcome(s) of that defence might be ?
Cheers
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19-02-2011, 03:57 PM
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No More Infinities
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Location: Townsville
Posts: 9,698
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19-02-2011, 04:01 PM
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amateur
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Waverley, VIC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigS
I wonder what the long term outcome(s) of that defence might be ?
Cheers
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Galactic, based on Chinese
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19-02-2011, 04:06 PM
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No More Infinities
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Townsville
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Originally Posted by bojan
Galactic, based on Chinese 
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I'll be migrating to the far side of the galaxy if that happens 
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19-02-2011, 04:15 PM
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IIS Member #671
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Canberra
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There's nothing wrong with that. It's been done for years. If you read epistolary books from the 1800s, initials for signing off are used throughout them as well.
I have signed my emails and letters and everything for years, with 'H'.
H
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Originally Posted by bartman
Bartman
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One of the worst shortening of words/ names is when I found out that our Marketing MANAGER signs off on her emails as 'V' . I will not reveal her name, but just imagine if her name was Veronica ( not her name). How unprofessional is that???????
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19-02-2011, 04:20 PM
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ze frogginator
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 22,080
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigS
There are cultures who have fought vehemently to preserve their language in its original form. Eg: Quebec, Canada .. and their version of French.
Thesedays, I understand that the folk from modern France, find the modern Quebecer's spoken language, quite strange. They can still communicate verbally with no problems, but there are differences arising from Quebec's French being isolated from European French, for as long as it has (in spite of France being the origin for it).
Both cultures go on fighting to preserve their changing languages (presumably from incursions as those mentioned in this thread).
I wonder what the long term outcome(s) of that defence might be ?
Cheers
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Funny you've mentioned that. There are indeed a few places where the language as its root in French. Canada, French Polynesia, New Caledonia, parts of west indies, Mauritius, Guyana, etc... Some I understand quite well, some I don't have a clue what they're talking about. I think the lingo has evolved both in pronunciation and grammar and in some instances has totally deviated from what I'd call proper grammar. But hey, you can't be too precious about one's language. It's always evolving, merging with other languages. That's what's happening here with what you guys call 'americanisation'.
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19-02-2011, 04:22 PM
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ze frogginator
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney
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Originally Posted by renormalised
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That's because they are survivors. They're b1tchslappin' because of huge swarm of mozzies in summer and running away from hungry bears in winter.
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19-02-2011, 04:29 PM
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Unpredictable
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Location: Australia
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Originally Posted by multiweb
Funny you've mentioned that. There are indeed a few places where the language as its root in French. Canada, French Polynesia, New Caledonia, parts of west indies, Mauritius, Guyana, etc... Some I understand quite well, some I don't have a clue what they're talking about. I think the lingo has evolved both in pronunciation and grammar and in some instances has totally deviated from what I'd call proper grammar. But hey, you can't be too precious about one's language. It's always evolving, merging with other languages. That's what's happening here with what you guys call 'americanisation'. 
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Hi Marc;
I was actually thinking of you when I made that post .. I'm no expert in French .. great to have your input.
The linkage between culture and language is a very tight one.
Globalisation would seem to be the opposing force.
Attempting to control something which is not under one's control, would seem to be futile, eh (?)
Cheers
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19-02-2011, 04:41 PM
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ze frogginator
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigS
Hi Marc;
I was actually thinking of you when I made that post .. I'm no expert in French .. great to have your input.
The linkage between culture and language is a very tight one.
Globalisation would seem to be the opposing force.
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Not so sure about that. Culture is rooted in your up-bringing. To me it defines your values, moral and the way you live, what you like, what you relate to, etc.. Language is just another mean of interaction. In my case cultural shock was massive for me when I moved from France to UK but not at all when I moved here. I use the same language but I integrated a lot better here. Then again what's not to like downunder.
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Originally Posted by CraigS
Hi Marc;
Attempting to control something which is not under one's control, would seem to be futile, eh (?)
Cheers
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So true. You can't keep swimming against the current. Just enjoy the ride.
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19-02-2011, 05:49 PM
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No More Infinities
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Townsville
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Quote:
Originally Posted by multiweb
That's because they are survivors. They're b1tchslappin' because of huge swarm of mozzies in summer and running away from hungry bears in winter. 
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Just like Daniel Boone   
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20-02-2011, 12:56 AM
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avandonk
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Location: Melbourne
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I was trying to be pretentious. Sorry nobody noticed
Bert
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20-02-2011, 02:16 PM
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