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Old 04-08-2010, 05:01 PM
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Wasyoung, here is a typical longitudinal map of RBG (a triplet APO)) trace that shows the blue is a little out of focus while the red & green are.
I got an interferometer report with my scope..FWIW. I don't/didn't expect APO quality but IMHO it's behaving like an Achromat.

I'm manly concerned that the flare is across the field & not concentric with the stars..but biased badly to the upper right side of stars.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:06 PM
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Don't take it out on Emma -- she rocks! : )

Sorry to hear about the issues you're having. And, my apologies for my lack of assistance. I've no knowledge on optics other than how to take an image. : (

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Hi H...no problems. I kinda know myself something was not right but it wasn't gelling as the star test shows a nice diffraction pattern.

As I've said if the hue was concentric I would have a better chance of focusing any aberration out but it's biased to one side.

When I re-focus the flare out the stars are becoming defocused so I'm caught between the flare & de-focus.

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Emma's Ok...ATM..If I'd try to take it out on her...she'd kill me!..Well not really but I would want to face that.

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Old 04-08-2010, 05:44 PM
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There was a write up on the myastroshop website about these refractors but the link isn't currently working. Apparently they specified a different centre element in the Prostar version which markedly reduced chromatic aberration compared to the scopes coming direct from Northgroup.(flame shield on )
They had photo's on the site showing images through both versions of the scope, with no obvious blue halo through the Prostar.

If you send the scope back, perhaps you could ask if you can get the upgraded center element?
Hi Tony...Hmm ... I had read this and was thinking this...wishfully thinking that is. If I venture back to CN on this topic I'd need more than a flame suit.

It's something I can bring up with Gilman..maybe.

It's just a bit of bad luck but someone had to have issues.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:21 PM
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It was only an article about the AR5/AR6 scopes...Uploaded.

It is in fact different to the 127ED lens cell. The Explore scientific owners guide is better.
Thanks mate

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If I venture back to CN on this topic I'd need more than a flame suit.
They can take themselves a bit too seriously over there - it's like you're in a court of law sometimes.
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Wasyoung, here is a good read..........
http://deepspaceplace.com/ed127.php
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Wasyoung, here is a good read..........
http://deepspaceplace.com/ed127.php

Thanks David.

James is a moderator/owner of the ED127 Yahoo forum. I watched his video of focus and he gets Chromatic Aberration but it's concentric with the stars. (edit: I did a similar focus video and it shows that my optics produces a rather large flare off axis compared to his).

I have got a reply from another David on this forum (David Dells..yahoo ED127 forum that is) who had a similar issue but the flare was not as bad as mine. He has adjusted his to an acceptable level of concentricity.

I asked him if this adjustment had an effect on his star diffraction pattern before or after. ...aka what was his diffraction pattern before & after wrt the aberration. Still awaiting a reply.

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Wasyoung, I had a really close look at your images and It looks to me like it is slightly out of collimation and has a pinch in the optics.
Do you have (or can make) an artificial star? What collimation tools do you have?
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Old 04-08-2010, 08:12 PM
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It looks to me like it is slightly out of collimation and has a pinch in the optics.
Agree - it does look like that doesn't it. I hope you get it sorted out soon.
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Wasyoung, I had a really close look at your images and It looks to me like it is slightly out of collimation and has a pinch in the optics.
Do you have (or can make) an artificial star? What collimation tools do you have?
Hi David the 1st diffraction pattern, 06 Jul, was the original untouched factory adjustments. This was in reasonable seeing conditions.

The next diffraction pattern, 26 Jul, was after a minor adjustment, was in much more poor seeing conditions.

Some images, like the 06 Jul look as if the pattern is NQR..in this case pinched (on top) but I compared this with other images I did on the same night and in this case the "pinch" in the pattern is gone...It was just a seeing aberration when the pic was taken.

There is a slight concentric error in the 06 Jul image pattern, slightly up & to the right.

Here is another star image from the 26 Jul.

I reckon the pattern, while not perfect is "good enough" ...well at least not to cause this flare.

I have a pair of eyes, star tests when the clouds go away and a Cheshire.

But from what I have found the star diffraction test is by far the best..when I can get one done!


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I asked a about an artificial star for testing (like a Hubble Optics star) previously as I wanted to fiddle without relying on the weather nor a moving star..is it worth it? maybe yes in this case? Will an artificial star show chromatic aberrations or are they limited in their wavelength output? This I ponder some.

Here are some other star diffraction patterns 06 Jul (actually the 1st image is dated the 26 Jul). The Seeing varied quite a bit \which gave varied diffraction patterns. I noticed previously the pattern also shows some chromatic aberration on the diffraction images.
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Old 04-08-2010, 08:57 PM
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reply from Gilman

Reply from Gilman already.

Asking to return the lens cell for adjustment or replacement under their TNT account.

Apparently they are on a summer holiday break so if they are slow in reply...you can appreciate that it's not always due to the obvious.

Wow..cannot get better nor quicker service than that!

Do they know how to do business or what!
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great news
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Great news ! Saves me from going to your place to fiddle with the bl00dy thing
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Great news ! Saves me from going to your place to fiddle with the bl00dy thing
Ha..guess you don't like a fine Chardonnay to cross your palate after a hard day/night doing diffraction patterns.
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Old 05-08-2010, 12:17 PM
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Mmmm, a nice crisp wooded Chardonnay !
Brendan, I have searched a stack of optical tests and you may be interested in the star test of a WO FTL 110 (about 1/4 down the page). Very similar aberrations to yours .
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...qakQ#post39697
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Old 05-08-2010, 03:41 PM
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Mmmm, a nice crisp wooded Chardonnay !
Brendan, I have searched a stack of optical tests and you may be interested in the star test of a WO FTL 110 (about 1/4 down the page). Very similar aberrations to yours .
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...qakQ#post39697

Hi David.

Thanks for the linky...I've been looking at Wolfgang's site a bit. He did a test of the early 127ED's. I don't think his appraisal was too endearing. However this test was done quite awhile ago ..I think the early Meade 127ED and I've seen worse performers from this test reports.

Probably the main thing is browsing his site and looking at the tests...my optics are performing no better than some achromatic's ATM.

Anyway..its done & dusted...already on the big steel bird on its was to China.

I can only say that gilman's response has been 1st class. He said they will repair/replace..then I asked if they have "upgraded optics"..he replied and said no..they are replacing in any case.

I've had a good look at the lens cell. It has 2 pairs of grub screws (120degrees apart) that act radially on individual lenses. They position the rear 2 lenses radially. There are a set of front grub screws and they appear to act radially as well ..there does not appear any lens cell tilt. probably not needed of you can adjust each lens individually.

So ...its now a waiting game.

Oh ..aaand I was thinking...nice crisp cardboard chardonnay!
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Ah yes ! Chateau' de Cardboard ! I have a nice vintage of this.....March!
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Ah yes ! Chateau' de Cardboard ! I have a nice vintage of this.....March!
Cardboardonnay - also known as shuddernnay!
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:59 PM
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Interferometer test of 127ED

Found an optic interferometer test of the ES 127ED, here. (Top of page) Haven't had time to read it all or who did the test ATM. It's Wolfgang Grzybowski's site not Wolfgang Rohrs site..

Edit:
Annnd at the very bottom of the page he appears to be shimming radially exactly the same lens cell as the 127ED. Obviously he found an issue with radial adjustments and shimmed to correct...I wonder?

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that's a very good report indeed. It's German.
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Found an optic interferometer test of the ES 127ED, here. (Top of page) Haven't had time to read it all or who did the test ATM.
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