The first shot is brilliant !!! how on earth did you manage to not burn out the core in that shot?
HI Rob Dog not burning out the core is easy - only 5min with Ha and a 16bit CCD leaves a lot that's able to be extracted. DDP is a useful tool too and Astroart, that I use, has an excellent version of this filter.
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Outstanding image. Watch out David Malin!
No need for David to watch out, his work with the AAT and UK Schmidt was incredibly impressive, this is only a low res version of one of Davids signature M42 shots but gives an idea of what the full res image would look like :
Looking good mate.. The field of view there is strangely familiar I posted a shot of M42 around this time last year from my QHY8 + C11 that looked vaguely similar (lacking most of the beautiful detail you've captured)
I'd love to see the single 5min Ha full field...
Thanks Alex
Where's that image of yours be nice to see that (since you have already released it )
However...as for my full frame Sword shot...in this case you will just have to wait for the finished product
Heard about your new FW yet (I put in a good word for you - hope it helped )
Here's the HST shot I always use as a reference. Side by side with yours it's almost the same framing.
Man, that's amazing, I have seen this shot before but it never dawned on me to use it as a reference Having said that, I think my colour balance is pretty dam close to that version anyway and there is clearly a green influence particularly in the inner regions just as I have come up with, so I am glad you posted it cause it kind vindicates my colour work really, although I am not sure how "true" that colour is in reality given it was composed from various filters if I recollect..?
I sent you an email about the CFW Its all go for launch.. Just getting precise parts to make me up a pair of adapters, one from the CFW to female T-thread to attach the MPCC (with 16mm total length to ensure correct spacing) and the other is for attaching a Canon EF lens to the CFW (just 5mm deep) to allow full colour imaging through wide field lenses (My 135 F/2L might come out of the bag for some astro work!! )
Awesome image Mike, I always enjoy your shots of the more unusual targets - or the old favorite targets with a new twist. I think it's great to capture such details at the very edge of what's possible.
I once did a Trapezium as well: http://www.titirangiobservatory.com/...trapezium.html
It's upside down compared to yours and a lot less exposure, but pretty much the same FOW. There is so much to look at in that area!
Mike I remember when if you could 'see' the trapezium in your home made 8" telescope with a dodgy eyepiece (about thirty years ago) you would brag about how good your optics were. That lovely refractor is something else. Do not get upset because it is only 152mm. Remember it is not size but what you do with it!
I sent you an email about the CFW Its all go for launch.. Just getting precise parts to make me up a pair of adapters, one from the CFW to female T-thread to attach the MPCC (with 16mm total length to ensure correct spacing) and the other is for attaching a Canon EF lens to the CFW (just 5mm deep) to allow full colour imaging through wide field lenses (My 135 F/2L might come out of the bag for some astro work!! )
Greg was very helpful indeed...
Cheers mate.
Yes I forgot to reply to that email have done now
Nice to hear that you are getting the adapter for the lenses too, I would love that.
Ah yes, I remember that Orion of yours - top shot
Mike
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Awesome image Mike, I always enjoy your shots of the more unusual targets - or the old favorite targets with a new twist. I think it's great to capture such details at the very edge of what's possible.
I once did a Trapezium as well: http://www.titirangiobservatory.com/...trapezium.html
It's upside down compared to yours and a lot less exposure, but pretty much the same FOW. There is so much to look at in that area!
That Trap area of yours is really good. taking short exposures is the way to go to get the really fine details, good seeing helps too, was that taken at the native 1250mmFL of the 10"?
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Mike I remember when if you could 'see' the trapezium in your home made 8" telescope with a dodgy eyepiece (about thirty years ago) you would brag about how good your optics were. That lovely refractor is something else. Do not get upset because it is only 152mm. Remember it is not size but what you do with it!
Bert
Ah Bert, yes the starfire is in a class of its own, I know, and as I have said before I feel very lucky and privileged to have one I should barlow it and do some short exposure image capture ala planetary and provided the seeing is good the detail extractable then would be incredible I am sure.
I dunno Mike. It's a very striking image for sure and it'll be a stunner when you finish it, but in this impromptu/premature version the trapezium looks distinctly overcooked relative the rest of the neb. Look forward to seeing it after you add some more high res data!!!
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..., yes the starfire is in a class of its own, ....
Yeah - almost as good as a Tak!! So don't bother comparing to the HST, just wait till I image it then you can compare to my version
Seriously though get it closer to the reference version Marc suggested and you'll have a killer shot!
Mike, I just took a look at your Hubble comparison. If all things were equal, eg , Atmospheric extinction, Narrow Band filters and overall equipment. I have to admit your image is right up there with hubble.
I dunno Mike. It's a very striking image for sure and it'll be a stunner when you finish it, but in this impromptu/premature version the trapezium looks distinctly overcooked relative the rest of the neb.
Well...that was my intention in this case actually. I wasn't after a soft image with the trap hidden (a more realistic look), I was, as you say, after more of the striking aspect and to reveal as much detail in the trap area as the data allowed, just my approach this time, that's all
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Look forward to seeing it after you add some more high res data!!!
Yes 10min of Lum isn't much huh
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Seriously though get it closer to the reference version Marc suggested and you'll have a killer shot!
Hmm?..maybe but there are lots of interpretations I guess, which one is the right one, that is the question
Mike, I just took a look at your Hubble comparison. If all things were equal, eg , Atmospheric extinction, Narrow Band filters and overall equipment. I have to admit your image is right up there with hubble.
Great stuff.
Yeh there is a bit of detail in there but I think I can do better, the trick is to get the high res close in detail AND the full 1.8 X 1.2 deg FOV - stay tuned . Thanks for you nice comments.
...........and Mike's equipment is $2.1 billion cheaper.
Yeh and while it is mildly annoying travelling 50min out to my moderately dark observing spot...getting to the scope doesn't cost me a $Billion each time either
No Markus is quite right and if I ever lost my AP in a fire or something and claimed on insurance I would happily step down to a Tak rather than wait 10 years for an AP
I'd love to go up and salvage the ACS camera and filters off the back of the HST once the JWST is operational, and HST decommissioned.. Would make a lovely addition to my list of toys I reckon...
No Markus is quite right and if I ever lost my AP in a fire or something and claimed on insurance I would happily step down to a Tak rather than wait 10 years for an AP
OOOOOOHHHHH!!! More Fightn Words!!
Ps. I could help you "Lose" that AP152 should you ever feel the need to step down to a Tak..
Ps. I could help you "Lose" that AP152 should you ever feel the need to step down to a Tak..
just kidding, the Tak is every bit as good as an AP...maybe even better , I think they are a bit heavy though and the colour trim is gastly...but it would at least match my gastly coloured mount
Yea.. it all comes down to what you set your heart on... Me.... I want the AP140... Im sitting on the list for the 130 Starfire ED GT.... when im 30 I might have it, but probably more like when im 35~40.. You have to admit, there are advantages to the Tak/TEC/TMB scopes.. People wouldnt wait 6~10 years for a telescope if it wasn't worth the wait though would they..
Yea.. it all comes down to what you set your heart on... Me.... I want the AP140... Im sitting on the list for the 130 Starfire ED GT.... when im 30 I might have it, but probably more like when im 35~40.. You have to admit, there are advantages to the Tak/TEC/TMB scopes.. People wouldnt wait 6~10 years for a telescope if it wasn't worth the wait though would they..
Ahhhhhh But is it worth the wait..... It is all in the eye of the beholder...... The best scope is the scope you use and to wait ten years is a long time for it not to work. Lots can change in ten years and does as AP state quite clearly. Lots opt out of the purchase when finally notified they are on the delivery/purchase final round.
There are a few pemium scope manufacturers in the world and I doubt most of us would struggle to notice much diference in their scopes at least from a visual/imaging point of view. Our eyes aren't that good.
Alex, the way you buy and sell gear, you better start a dedicated bank account now and not touch it until your scope is ready. LOL
10 years, you will already have tested every other scope so you can tell us if it is as good as they say.
not burning out the core is easy - only 5min with Ha and a 16bit CCD leaves a lot that's able to be extracted. DDP is a useful tool too and Astroart, that I use, has an excellent version of this filter.
Watch out David Malin!
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I posted a shot of M42 around this time last year from my QHY8 + C11 that looked vaguely similar (lacking most of the beautiful detail you've captured) 
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Having said that, I think my colour balance is pretty dam close to that version anyway 
and there is clearly a green influence particularly in the inner regions just as I have come up with, so I am glad you posted it cause it kind vindicates my colour work really, although I am not sure how "true" that colour is in reality given it was composed from various filters if I recollect..?
have done now 
