Who wants to know what there last name means?

[renormalised (Carl)]

Here's more....Quincy, Marshall, Brienne, Braose, Devereaux, Mainwaring, Giffard, Talbot, Barry, Carlton, Waddington, Catford, Tong, Rillieston, Hebden

[seanliddelow (Sean)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

Here's more....Quincy, Marshall, Brienne, Braose, Devereaux, Mainwaring, Giffard, Talbot, Barry, Carlton, Waddington, Catford, Tong, Rillieston, Hebden

Quincy- Came from Cuinchy in Pas-De-Calais
Marshall- "One who tends Horses"
Brienne- Not in there
Braose- Not in there
Devereaux- From Evreux in Eure
Mainwaring- From a place named 'Mesnilwarin'
Giffard- "Chubby cheek, bloated"
Talbot- "Potblack"
Barry- Rampart
Carlton- From a town called Carlton
Waddington- From Waddington in Lincolnshire, Surrey and York
Catford- From towns called 'Catford'
Tong- "Tounge"
Rillestion- Not in there
Hebden- From Hebden or Hebden bridge

[renormalised (Carl)]

I keep coming with names, hey Sean. You must be wondering where I'm dragging them out from

Here's a few more...Waleton, Columbers, Kellet, Harcourt, Brennan, Tarrant, Keller, Parker, Candos, Brewes, McGrath, McLaren, Ludford, Messenger, Fischer, Ramsdale, Cormac, Ackroyd, Buckley, Yates

Someone else is also bound to have one of the names I've listed in their family too, so that'll mean they won't have to repeat them

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

Broom is a type of grass

If you can believe Wiki Broom is a bush.

"Brooms are a group of evergreen, semi-evergreen, and deciduous shrubs in the subfamily Faboideae of the legume family Fabaceae, mainly in the three genera Chamaecytisus, Cytisus and Genista, but also in five other small genera"

And "it is a major problem species in the cooler and wetter areas of southern Australia and New Zealand" which is how I came to know of it.

Originally Posted by renormalised

Broom is also where the nickname "Plantagenet" comes from (yes, it's originally a nickname). "Planta genesta"...latin for "plant grower = farmer". Geoffrey of Anjou ( Count Geoffrey V de Anjou) was nicknamed that because he used to wear a sprig of broom in his lapel. Plantagenet was only later used by his descendants as a surname...I think from Richard III onwards, for memory.

Wiki again: "The Plantagenet kings used common broom (known as "planta genista" in Latin) as an emblem and took their name from it. It was originally the emblem of Geoffrey of Anjou, father of Henry II of England. Wild broom is still common in dry habitats around Anjou, France."

[seanliddelow (Sean)]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

If you can believe Wiki Broom is a bush.

"Brooms are a group of evergreen, semi-evergreen, and deciduous shrubs in the subfamily Faboideae of the legume family Fabaceae, mainly in the three genera Chamaecytisus, Cytisus and Genista, but also in five other small genera"

And "it is a major problem species in the cooler and wetter areas of southern Australia and New Zealand" which is how I came to know of it.




Wiki again: "The Plantagenet kings used common broom (known as "planta genista" in Latin) as an emblem and took their name from it. It was originally the emblem of Geoffrey of Anjou, father of Henry II of England. Wild broom is still common in dry habitats around Anjou, France."

I was cleaning my pops farm last week and i noticed this yellow sticks it could be broom

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

Ever traced your ancestry, Marc??

Might find something interesting

I have an aunty who's into this. She traced the family tree back to the 1300s. Same place, same valley. We're talking about 100km radius here? Not great travellers... I must be the only one who ever got his a** in the southern hemisphere. Mind you it's very easy to find me in the phone book.

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

If you can believe Wiki Broom is a bush.

"Brooms are a group of evergreen, semi-evergreen, and deciduous shrubs in the subfamily Faboideae of the legume family Fabaceae, mainly in the three genera Chamaecytisus, Cytisus and Genista, but also in five other small genera"

And "it is a major problem species in the cooler and wetter areas of southern Australia and New Zealand" which is how I came to know of it.




Wiki again: "The Plantagenet kings used common broom (known as "planta genista" in Latin) as an emblem and took their name from it. It was originally the emblem of Geoffrey of Anjou, father of Henry II of England. Wild broom is still common in dry habitats around Anjou, France."

I may have read wrong, but I always thought that Broom was more like a grass than a bush, in habit. In any case...grass or shrub...a broom by any other name will sweep clean

That's who Geoffrey was....Henry's father. He was also father to Hamelin, who was Henry's half brother, Geoffrey (Count of Nante), William X Count of Poitou and a couple of others. The whole idea of the "planta genista" was to denote a farmer or ag' worker of some sort. It gave Geoffrey the common touch. He was also known to be a rather jovial type, but he did have a rash temper...something that was passed down through the family some ways. Although he wasn't as bad as his father or grandfather!!.

When Henry married Eleanor of Aquitaine (she was 11 years Henry's senior), his father tried to warn him off her, telling him, " I know this woman well as I have already had relations with her", or words to that effect. Didn't stop young Henry!!! And as they say, the rest is history!!!

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

I have an aunty who's into this. She traced the family tree back to the 1300s. Same place, same valley. We're talking about 100km radius here? Not great travellers... I must be the only one who ever got his a** in the southern hemisphere. Mind you it's very easy to find me in the phone book.

Makes for finding rellies pretty easy!!!!

Lots of families were like that, though. Hardly moving around for hundreds of years. That's also why whole families were vulnerable to disease and could die out. They reckon something like 70-80% of the families that were extant during the period of the Middle Ages have left no living relations. Pretty amazing when you come to think about it, but understandable given the life they led back then.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

Makes for finding rellies pretty easy!!!!

Lots of families were like that, though. Hardly moving around for hundreds of years. That's also why whole families were vulnerable to disease and could die out. They reckon something like 70-80% of the families that were extant during the period of the Middle Ages have left no living relations. Pretty amazing when you come to think about it, but understandable given the life they led back then.

My wife's half croatian, half maltese, her grand father is german and my boy's born in France. Nobody understand each other, only at weddings when we're all pi**ed. So the blood is diluted now.

Wanna hear something scary? When I was a kid, we'd pack for holidays, get a trailer with the tents, get in the car, drive 100km to a camping ground and stay there for a month. That was the "big summer trip" of the year . The oldies in my family speak a mix of French and Spanish called 'patois'. All those dialects disapear with the people because most are not written, just spoken. Each Valley has its own. You walk over the hill in another village and it's very likely people don't speak the same patois.

[seanliddelow (Sean)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

I keep coming with names, hey Sean. You must be wondering where I'm dragging them out from

Here's a few more...Waleton, Columbers, Kellet, Harcourt, Brennan, Tarrant, Keller, Parker, Candos, Brewes, McGrath, McLaren, Ludford, Messenger, Fischer, Ramsdale, Cormac, Ackroyd, Buckley, Yates

Someone else is also bound to have one of the names I've listed in their family too, so that'll mean they won't have to repeat them

Waleton, Not in there
Columbers, "Dove, Pigeon"
Kellet, From Kellet in Lancaster
Harcourt, From Harcourt in Eure
Brennan, "Burn-Hand" A public official who carried out harsh punishment
Tarrant, From Tarrant in Dorset
Keller, "A maker of Caps"
Parker, "One in charge of a park"
Candos, Not in there
Brewes, "A brewer"
McGrath, Not in there
McLaren, Not in there
Ludford, From a town called Ludford
Messenger, " A messenger"
Fischer, Fisher?
Ramsdale, Not in there
Cormac, "Son of the chariot"
Ackroyd, "Dweller by the oak clearing"
Buckley, From a town called Buckley
Yates, From Yates in Glos or "Gate-kepper"

[seanliddelow (Sean)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

I have an aunty who's into this. She traced the family tree back to the 1300s. Same place, same valley. We're talking about 100km radius here? Not great travellers... I must be the only one who ever got his a** in the southern hemisphere. Mind you it's very easy to find me in the phone book.

I remember a story about a man who traced his ancestry back to a 3000 year old man they dug up called "The cheddar man". He lived about 3 miles from where he was dug up.

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

My wife's half croatian, half maltese, her grand father is german and my boy's born in France. Nobody understand each other, only at weddings when we're all pi**ed. So the blood is diluted now.

Wanna hear something scary? When I was a kid, we'd pack for holidays, get a trailer with the tents, get in the car, drive 100km to a camping ground and stay there for a month. That was the "big summer trip" of the year . The oldies in my family speak a mix of French and Spanish called 'patois'. All those dialects disapear with the people because most are not written, just spoken. Each Valley has its own. You walk over the hill in another village and it's very likely people don't speak the same patois.

Sounds like a typical Aussie family....a great mix

Blood takes a long time to dilute

Looks like your parents were just doing the family thing....go 100km, stop and pitch camp. Wonder what they thought was beyond the pale, so to speak??. "There'd be dragons!!"

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by seanliddelow

I remember a story about a man who traced his ancestry back to a 3000 year old man they dug up called "The cheddar man". He lived about 3 miles from where he was dug up.

There was a skeleton of a man found in western Wales that they took DNA from to confirm its age (9700 BP, C14 date). Just as an exercise, they took the DNA from several hundred people in the area, including schoolchildren, and they found that the guy and the living people were related. They shared certain markers on the chromosomes that they managed to find, that pointed to a very long paternity.

[seanliddelow (Sean)]

Anyone?

[gman (Grant)]

How about these:-

Little
Beamish
Wood
And just to see if it comes up - Isbister -
What I do know is that Isbister is a variation on a norse name with the "ster" or "stir" meaning from place of and has been in the "Orkney Isles" and Scotland for 700+ years.
You just never know, it might turn up in there somewhere.

[seanliddelow (Sean)]

Originally Posted by gman

How about these:-

Little
Beamish
Wood
And just to see if it comes up - Isbister -
What I do know is that Isbister is a variation on a norse name with the "ster" or "stir" meaning from place of and has been in the "Orkney Isles" and Scotland for 700+ years.
You just never know, it might turn up in there somewhere.

Little- Means "Little". From Northhamptonshire or Suffolk. From Old English "Lytel".
Beamish- No in there
Wood-Means "Frenzied, Wild". From Old English "Wod"
Isbister- Not in there

[seanliddelow (Sean)]

Anyone?

[renormalised (Carl)]

Segrave, Grey/Gray, Radcliffe, Douglas, Mowat, Stewart/Stuart

[seanliddelow (Sean)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

Segrave, Grey/Gray, Radcliffe, Douglas, Mowat, Stewart/Stuart

Segrave- From "Seagrave" in Leicestershire.
Grey/Gray- From Old English- "Grey Haired"
Radcliffe- Means "Red Cliff"
Douglas- From Douglas, Lanarkshire. Means "The black water" in Gaelic.
Mowat- From "Mouat". From a French place called "Montaut". It may mean "Meadow-Ward".
Stewart/Stuart- Scottish, may be related to the Scottish Kings. Many meanings.

[renormalised (Carl)]

Actually, the name Mowat which is derived from Montalt/Monte Alto (along with Mouat, Maud/Maude/Mawde/Moad and about 100 other derivations) means "high hill". The first person to hold that name in England, by record, was Eustace de Monte Alto, who came over to England with Hugh "Lupus" d'Avranches 1st Earl of Chester, just after the Conquest. He was one of Hugh's officers ("right hand men"). His son Hugh was made a Baron, then it passed to his next son Roger who then passed it onto his brother Ralph (Hugh and Roger were a bit older than Ralph) then it went down the line father to son, except for a couple of times when it went from brother to brother. There were 11 original Barons de Montalt. The present Viscount Hawarden/Baron de Montalt is a direct relative of the original line. I'm also related as well (via my 7th Great Grandmother, Jane Maude). We both trace back to Eustace's G-Grandson Andomar (Aylmer) de Montalt.