Should we allow the greedy to rule the earth

TrevorW · #1 06-11-2009, 12:07 AM

Do those with vested interests really know what is best or will they be then ones who ultimately lead too the destruction of mankind.

The rich, the politicians, the narrow minded scientists or should we the ordinary folk take back control of our lives and whom determines the future of our society.

I believe these people do not hold the ordinary person in high esteem, we are but cattle for the blender and until such time as we truly have rule by the majority the rich and the politicians will continue to determine our future.

I also believe these people are holding back on the exploration of space as it potentially could lead to a free and unburdened society.

Thoughts please

PS: if this gets canned then so be it

Ian Robinson · #2 06-11-2009, 12:59 AM

Oh my.... please don't get me started on about greedy , money grabbing , self absorbed and selfish people.

It's a sore point in my life at present ..... a bombshell I've had dropped on me very recently about someone very close.

Seems to me the more some people have , the more they want , and they'll do anything to get more , even if it hirts those who are closest to them.

No .... the greedy do not deserve to rule the earth , even if they think they should.

mental4astro (Alexander) · #3 06-11-2009, 01:14 AM

Explore space while MOST people on earth don't have enough food to fill their belly?

Apathy, prejudice, ignorance and self interest has allowed greed to rule.

Maybe one day we humans will learn as one it is nicer and easier to love one another than hate.

Starkler (Geoff) · #4 06-11-2009, 03:23 AM

Is this a call to social unrest and armed uprising?

rider · #5 06-11-2009, 08:48 AM

According to the 31007 edition of the Encyclopaedia Galactica

"Human" is an ancient Gallefrayan word meaning "self-obsessed".

A footnote states: "Humans were the prime form of life on the planet Sol 3 for a very short period after the dinosaurs until choking on their own waste".

A second footnote states that: A universal celebratory holiday is observed on all planets harboring sentient life forms to thank their deity of choice that humans never achieved interstellar flight.

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #6 06-11-2009, 08:52 AM

Geez, we're a dissatisfied, downtrodden and angry mob on here, aren't we?

Heaven forbid those that do well be lumped in with the "greedy"...

Not sure that we need these rhetorical questions here. Is this an astronomy forum, or did I come to the wrong place?

Seems that there is a current propensity for people to try and come up with the most obtuse and politically-charged posts designed to garner negativity and attract those that love to argue. Whoop-de-do.

Oh, what the heck... Yeah! Kill them all!!!

casstony · #7 06-11-2009, 09:00 AM

I think we aren't much smarter than a herd of cattle - our decisions are ruled by basic instincts more often than we'd like to admit. We should be able to elect a Prime Minister dressed in a clown costume, focussing only on policy.

Our rulers are directly responsible for holding back space exploration due to their greed and financial mismanagement that results. It's not the fault of ordinary folk since our rulers know we are but a herd of cattle to be manipulated - we swing on the oars, they steer the boat.

Rainingstar (Lorraine) · #8 06-11-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rider

According to the 31007 edition of the Encyclopaedia Galactica

"Human" is an ancient Gallefrayan word meaning "self-obsessed".

A footnote states: "Humans were the prime form of life on the planet Sol 3 for a very short period after the dinosaurs until choking on their own waste".

A second footnote states that: A universal celebratory holiday is observed on all planets harboring sentient life forms to thank their deity of choice that humans never achieved interstellar flight.

Thanks that's sooo funny, made my day

(Unfortunately all too true.)

Rod66 (Rod) · #9 06-11-2009, 09:15 AM

Evil rules while good men do nothing.

sjastro · #10 06-11-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TrevorW

The rich, the politicians, the narrow minded scientists or should we the ordinary folk take back control of our lives and whom determines the future of our society.

Trevor I hope you're not suggesting that being narrow minded is a prerequisite for being a scientist.

It seems to a view that is propagated by quite a few individuals.

Steven

matt · #11 06-11-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

Geez, we're a dissatisfied, downtrodden and angry mob on here, aren't we?

Heaven forbid those that do well be lumped in with the "greedy"...

Not sure that we need these rhetorical questions here. Is this an astronomy forum, or did I come to the wrong place?

Seems that there is a current propensity for people to try and come up with the most obtuse and politically-charged posts designed to garner negativity and attract those that love to argue. Whoop-de-do.

Oh, what the heck... Yeah! Kill them all!!!

You've nailed it, Chris.

A little too much wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth for my liking, too.

multiweb (Marc) · #12 06-11-2009, 09:52 AM

Weather's fault.

Although any SA resident caught winging should be flogged.

They're getting all the good skies

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #13 06-11-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by multiweb

They're getting all the good skies

Yeah - greedy sods...

iceman (Mike) · #14 06-11-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaroo

Geez, we're a dissatisfied, downtrodden and angry mob on here, aren't we?

Heaven forbid those that do well be lumped in with the "greedy"...

Not sure that we need these rhetorical questions here. Is this an astronomy forum, or did I come to the wrong place?

Seems that there is a current propensity for people to try and come up with the most obtuse and politically-charged posts designed to garner negativity and attract those that love to argue. Whoop-de-do.

Agree with this assessment.

TrevorW · #15 06-11-2009, 10:22 AM

My so called rhetorical questions have two points in asking

1. Will the rich through their lust for the manifestation of wealth and power ultimately lead to our demise

2. Are we as a race being restricted from the exploration of space by these same people so that they retain control of the masses.

I would think a lot of other people share similar points of view, nor do I think these questions are propagated by some underlying belief in conspiracy but based on personal observation over 40 years.

I haven't seen any rules stipulating that the "General Chat" section should be restricted too purely scientific or astronomical posts or did I miss something.

supernova1965 (Warren) · #16 06-11-2009, 10:27 AM

The thread hasn't been blocked. I think its just that we all have to be able to stay friends after all is said and done we have a great community here and I for one don't want to lose the great companionship that I feel when here.

FredSnerd (Claude) · #17 06-11-2009, 10:27 AM

Well I'm with you Trevor. Still you notice how people are relying for news more and more on their own networks and citizen media rather then traditional news outlets. So we are making some progress towards being properly informed.

matt · #18 06-11-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FredSnerd

Well I'm with you Trevor. Still you notice how people are relying for news more and more on their own networks and citizen media rather then traditional news outlets. So we are making some progress towards being properly informed.

Whaaaa?????

I can't for the life of me find any reference to the media in Trevor's original post.

Push your anti mainstream media barrow somewhere else, Fred!

Better still...get a new axe to grind. You're starting to sound awfully repetitive.

FredSnerd (Claude) · #19 06-11-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by matt

Whaaaa?????

I can't for the life of me find any reference to the media in Trevor's original post.

Push your anti mainstream media barrow somewhere else, Fred!

Better still...get a new axe to grind. You're starting to sound awfully repetitive.

Just pulling your leg Matt. Come Onnnn. Lets be friends. But I still agree with everything trevor has said including that there is nothing inappropriate about this post in the general chat section. Also theres lots of sides to each of us. We are not just our hobby and why discourage people from sharing views on all manner of subjects. its no big deal

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #20 06-11-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TrevorW

I haven't seen any rules stipulating that the "General Chat" section should be restricted too purely scientific or astronomical posts or did I miss something.

In spirit, this is an ASTRONOMY forum Trevor, first and foremost - and most are here for that reason alone. I really don't come here to hear or even give a hoot about yours or anyone else's politics or problems with society. Elsewhere there are forums designed specifically to pander to soapbox masters who wish to battle with politics. Whilst "General Chat" is just that, I've always read it as being there for chat generally related to the topic at hand - astronomy subjects not covered by the other specifically-labelled forums. Your post has a loose reference to space travel funding in order to lend it slight credibility.

TOS asks that we avoid political, religious and racial posts. I can now see why. You, yourself, have already stated, to quote: "PS: if this gets canned then so be it", so you must have suspected it may be inappropriate to begin with.