Items for Sale and their Price. - Page 2

gman (Grant) · #21 13-01-2009, 09:50 PM

Doug,

I fall into the catergory of if I had the cash, I would have bought it.
Have been looking around for an EQ6 fmount for my 10" dob for a while now but she who must be obeyed, (from time to time), insists that we need to spend the money on more important things like the kids education.
In real terms, an EQ6 is getting further form my reach with the low $Aus constantly taking a backward step.

Glad it sold to someone who appreciates the quality.

TrevorW · #22 13-01-2009, 10:36 PM

I recently sold an EQ5 mount with SS tripod and da motors for $300 and yet i've seen people trying to sell these mounts without the extras for similar prices . My point is if you want to really sell an item then you make it a price that realistic which i'm sure you have (i haven't seen your ad by the way) but I'd expect you'd would have advertised it below current replacement but in the end it's not about replacement cost etc if you sell the item to someone who really needs it.

Stephen65 · #23 13-01-2009, 10:59 PM

It also depends on the item. Something like a filter is hard to damage and easy to safely ship so a secondhand item should retain a lot of its new value. On the other hand complex electromechanical items like mounts can have a lot go wrong with them and it might be difficult or impossible to enforce the warranty so I wouldn't buy a used mount except at a significant discount.

Mostly I think the items on IIS are fairly priced but I have seen a few listed at an insignificant discount to the new which makes me think why not just buy new or even on occasion for more than the item can be obtained for new if you hunt around.

Outbackmanyep · #24 14-01-2009, 06:18 PM

It's probably better for you to keep it then sell it for a price you're not happy with.....

danielsun · #25 14-01-2009, 09:46 PM

Doug, I thought your price was a bargain and if did not have my mount I would have jumped on it .

Cheers Daniel.

bmitchell82 (Brendan) · #26 14-01-2009, 09:55 PM

well I have to say the other end of the stick, i was deadly serious doug to buy your mount and i was quite happy to pay the postage in the end you refused to sell to me, so i went and brought a brand new eq6 for 1500 admittedly i got a new one, but i would rather help out others on the forums.

Sometimes people are un willing to sell the goods that they want to sell... unless it is really "convenient".

Im not upset i just thought i would say my piece.

AlexN · #27 14-01-2009, 10:13 PM

Yeah Doug... plenty of tyre kickers/dreamers/vultures when it comes to second hand gear...

Basically, yes, they have a right to bargain, but being rude, or quoting "I can get it new here for $xxx" is down right annoying... Nothing more annoying on the forums in my opinion... Why even bother contacting, if the listed price is so exorbitant, and one can buy it new for close to the price, or indeed lower as some of them claim... Why don't they?

I had a few people offer me well under what I asked for some items I've listed... One was a whooping $1900 under the listed price.. (nearly half what I was asking..) Its a joke..

Alex.

matt · #28 14-01-2009, 11:21 PM

Alex.

I think sometimes people are actually trying to be helpful and enlighten a seller to the reality of what price the second-hand market is generally accepting as a ballpark figure for a particular item.

Having bought and sold many items on astro fora...I can say I have been grateful on the occasion when someone's made me aware of a price which certain items generally sell for, which may have been below what I was asking. I just wasn't aware.

Likewise, I've had occasion to give the occasional 'heads up' to a seller about an item I've been interested in.

I've seen people trying to sell items for close to new price because they weren't aware a commercial vendor had moved downward on the retail price of the same item, new. That person would have had no chance of selling without that piece of info. Not unless they slavishly follow retail pricing at the major astro vendors and keep adjusting their price accordingly.

Bottom line....if you don't like the price you're offered. Don't sell.

Most people don't go out of their way to offend. And people shouldn't take it so hard when people do a little straight-talking during a haggling process

Just my 2c worth.

Starman73 · #29 14-01-2009, 11:29 PM

Hi There,

Just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth. I had a Canon film camera on sale on another web site, for ages, no sale. I get an email from someone wanting to buy it from me, like over a year from the original add. The person was ofering over and above the price I was asking for it, I was immediately on alert. The person also wanted to pay me through PayPal and wanted to complete the transaction ASAP. I wrote back requesting where they were so that I could calculate the appropriate postage, turns out they were in Nigeria. Nigera money scam immediately came to mind. Calculated the postage and packing turned out to be just under the price of the camera. Sent it away, sent off a PayPal request for payment and got an email back from "PayPal" saying that my money had been transfered and being held, send the item within 5hrs of recieving the email, when it is recieved the money will be released.

Contact PayPal, sure enough the emails were a hoax, so everone out there, be careful. I didn't even put my bank details into PayPal when setting it up just to make sure I wasn't diddled.

Regards
Paul

Hagar (Doug) · #30 15-01-2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmitchell82

well I have to say the other end of the stick, i was deadly serious doug to buy your mount and i was quite happy to pay the postage in the end you refused to sell to me, so i went and brought a brand new eq6 for 1500 admittedly i got a new one, but i would rather help out others on the forums.

Sometimes people are un willing to sell the goods that they want to sell... unless it is really "convenient".

Im not upset i just thought i would say my piece.

Hi Brendan I realised you were serious about the purchase and from my point of view I pointed out the weight of the item and the logistics of sending two or 3 large heavy packages to Perth by courier were probably more risk than I would like to take. If I had the original packaging I may have persued the matter further but the risk was extreme in my opinion. You also have to realise that living in Mt Beauty doesn't gain me access to any form of pack and send courier systems with the nearest being over an hours drive away. The target audience was really Melbourne as I travel up and down to Melbourne quite a bit for family. In this case I could be satisfied the mount would arrive in one piece and I was prepared to deliver to anywhere in Melbourne or local area free of charge. A couple of the offers that were made were about !/2 to 2/3 of my asking price and still wanting the mount delivered free to save on freight charges. As always the decision to sell is mine but I do find it objectionable to recieve rediculous offers and in future will stipulate the price is firm.

I am glad you got a mount and it looks like you did pretty well anyway. Look forward to seeing some images.
My appologies if I upset you with my refusal to send to you in Perth but I certainly value your honesty when looking at the purchase.

Tandum (Robin) · #31 15-01-2009, 12:48 AM

Don't let it worry you doug. I've offered stupid dollars for some items either due to my fluctuating financial situation or due to sheer ignorance of current values. Sometimes the seller will do the deal offered and other times they won't. I got a 12" DOB for $400, but that's all I had and he couldn't sell it.

A buyer comparing your item to some random unfinalised entry on ebay as a price guide erks me. When I was a bit short I put the 4 month old modified 40D up for $1300, which was replacement cost for a standard one at the time and less than I paid all up while a hutech one was US$1600. I was told it was worth $900 cos you you could get one off ebay for that. Yeah right. Just ignore the vultures. I got out of the hole I was in and still have the 40D but my Gibson Guitar is gone

I believe that member has now paid over $1600 for a standard 40D

Tandum (Robin) · #32 15-01-2009, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt

I think sometimes people are actually trying to be helpful and enlighten a seller to the reality of what price the second-hand market is generally accepting as a ballpark figure for a particular item.

Helpful and enlightening ... you are not serious are you? Geez matt, Threatening and Standover come to mind.

Hagar (Doug) · #33 15-01-2009, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tandum

Helpful and enlightening ... you are not serious are you? Geez matt, Threatening and Standover come to mind.

I don't think at any point it is threatening or standover tactics. I doubt there is anyone on this forum who knows me would be game to try that with me of all people. I really just consider it to be a somewhat rude and unnecessary attempt to grab a bargain. Some cultures do all dealings with this approach and Australia being a very multicultural place these days may well be starting to take this approach. I still live in a small country town and never see the approaches towards sales in the big smoke.

matt · #34 15-01-2009, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tandum

Helpful and enlightening ... you are not serious are you? Geez matt, Threatening and Standover come to mind.

Yeah...I am serious

Read/quote the entire thread. It can sometimes be helpful to get fair and reasonable feedback. I've been grateful for it in the past.

If you feel you've been threatened, though, you should report the action to the moderators...and let them deal with or judge the situation. As for 'standover', I thnk you're being a little melodramatic. Do you have photos or video evidence of anyone putting a gun to your head, forcing you to sell your goods at a ridiculous price?

bmitchell82 (Brendan) · #35 15-01-2009, 09:32 AM

If you never ask you never know, its the way of the world now, sellers ask for 30% more than what the item is worth, knowing that somebody is going to try and bash them down in price.

put something on the market thats worth 1200 ask 1500, come down 150 - 200 buyer thinks they have a ripper price because they bargained you down, and you have 100- 150 bucks extra in your back burner to go towards that 40D

Im a hard bargainer when it comes to it and hell, ill play one sales man off against the other and let me tell you it works a dyam treat. How do i know how to bargain / barter? I used to be a sales man and yes a very good one sell esky's to the eskimo's and then add on the ice stating it would keep their food cold, and ask a kings ransom for it. I wasn't one of the 10 ten salesmen in qld/nt for Eb games for no reason I ended up going all over aust for them and set up a few stores to boot.

Gone are the days where a fair price was asked for a good product. now a exorbanent price is asked for a piece of 5h17, and a even more exorbanent price for quality (all be it worth it because it works).

Thats my two bobs worth, and now im on the track to astro photography with my new found eq6 that i got for a bargain, and the 10" dob that i paid just a bit over 600 brand new only a few months back and a meade DSI for 100 bucks. ive got the old blue newt that with a bit of tlc could quite easily become a guide scope and then all that is needed is the dslr. Smart shoppers get good deals dumb people get shafted!

HAZZAR.!

matt · #36 15-01-2009, 09:38 AM

That's the size of it, Brendan

I too have a background which has exposed me to the realities of the commercial world and sales.

I understand that for some people it can be confronting to be faced with someone who knows how to and is keen to haggle. That's their issue. However, it is also important as a buyer to walk away if one senses that a seller is a little 'delicate' and unfamiliar with this robust form of behaviour.

But I'm with you on this one. You'll never know if you don't ask...within reason

matt · #37 15-01-2009, 09:55 AM

As an addendum...

A seller can really help themselves by making it clear in their ad where they stand on this.

If the price is the price....indicate the price as being FIRM

A lot of people give the price as negotiable (neg) or don't indicate one way or the other.

A little extra info goes a long...long way

bloodhound31 · #38 09-02-2009, 09:44 AM

If someone was offering you a brand new commodore for ten thousand dollars, what would you expect them to say to you if you offered them three thousand for it because it has a crack in the windscreen?

That's what has been happening to me, trying to sell my C11 for 3K, with a crack in the corrector plate.

Just like a car, a crack does not stop you from using it effectively.

I just don't know what to say........

Barrykgerdes · #39 09-02-2009, 10:33 AM

I have advertised a couple of nolonger required items in the for sale area. Sometimes new and unopened. I only try to sell items I nolonger have a use for. I have managed to sell only one item.

I have a inventory of all the items I own that have some value and they are automatically depreciated to give a current value. I would always like to get this valuation but I am always open to an offer.

I have had some ridiculous offers on some items but after two or three haggles I realised that the person knew what he could get on ebay and was only looking for a bargain he could re-sell.

To tell the truth if a potential buyer with limited resources comes round to see me and gives a good enough reason that I can verify I would most likely give the item to him. My recent give aways include an operational 8" Dobsonian with a Dob II drive, an ETX125, a DS2080, a couple of computers complete with Windows XP (no older than 3 years) and other items non astronomy. I guess that as an OAP I have more money than I need and just need to clear some space for my next project.

Barry

Jen · #40 09-02-2009, 05:48 PM

Awwwwwww Doug dam it man if i had the spare cash i would buy it in a second, you know i would im after one big time and with the few extras too sounds good to me (do you have a layby option)
Well if your not desperate to sell it Doug just keep it there till the right offer comes along if you need to get rid of it quick drop the price we are always looking for a bargin times are tuff these days