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Old 05-01-2009, 09:34 AM
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I have a 25:1 gearbox to drive the worm, this should give me A-Lot(9000):1 reduction. I may look into a 150-180 tooth wheel.
Yes, 9000:1 means your slews will be as slow as a wet week.

I'm assuming you are intending to have a Bartels stepper drive. If so, there is no reason that I can see to have both axies the same ratio. You could drive the 360:1 Dec axis directly and the RA axis through a 2,3 or 4:1 toothed belt.

If you are intending to run a servo system (Bartels-SiderealTechnology/ServoCAT), IIRC the servos come with a small step-down gearbox. So both motors bolt straight on your 360:1 drives.
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:19 PM
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Nicely done. Im a toolmaker myself, I find your effort admirable..but If you turn your wormierl out of High carbon, and longer, you dont need to stick to standard threads.. machine enough to make the hobbing tool and the wormier. just slit the tool before hardening...doesnt have to be fancy, I presume laping afterward is a go... I did a lot of these when I was in the industry and it works very well, if the same lathe is used for both in such a fashion.. TCW, you have the tools to do it...
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:44 PM
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I've seen an example...
I've been racking my brains to remember where I'd seen the article, then I gave up. Then in a flash I even remembered the blokes, name "Chris Heapy". Two clicks with google and...
http://www.astronomiainumbria.org/ad...rish/worms.htm

didn't think a url 2.3 km long would work! try this...
http://tinyurl.com/32ab4n
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:42 PM
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Thanks for the encouragement.

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I've been racking my brains to remember where I'd seen the article, then I gave up. Then in a flash I even remembered the blokes, name "Chris Heapy". Two clicks with google and...
http://www.astronomiainumbria.org/ad...rish/worms.htm

didn't think a url 2.3 km long would work! try this...
http://tinyurl.com/32ab4n
Thanks Dave. This is the site that started me believing that it could be done. If not then I spent some money, learnt something & had a lot of fun.

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Nicely done. Im a toolmaker myself, I find your effort admirable..but If you turn your wormierl out of High carbon, and longer, you dont need to stick to standard threads.. machine enough to make the hobbing tool and the wormier. just slit the tool before hardening...doesnt have to be fancy, I presume laping afterward is a go... I did a lot of these when I was in the industry and it works very well, if the same lathe is used for both in such a fashion.. TCW, you have the tools to do it...
I am not from metal working training -carpenter/joiner by trade, so the extreem tolerances are new to me, but I'm getting there.

Am I correct to believe that "bright" steel is High carbon?
I am just using black for learning -cheaper.
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:22 AM
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Am I correct to believe that "bright" steel is High carbon?
I am just using black for learning -cheaper.
The carbon content is the element that govern whether a steel will harden. There is a heap of other elements that can be thrown in to the crucible to offer additional attributes to a steel depending on it's intended use.

if it's sold as "black" then it's mild steel (low carbon) steel. But mild steel can have the black scale chemically removed and is sold as "bright". "bright" steel can also mean "free machining steel" this stuff has lead in it and will never harden.

high carbon steel comes coated in the black scale and you'll soon know you are working with something very different as it's much tougher. High carbon steel is also sold as "silver steel" which has been centerless ground to incremental diameters.

If you buy it from a merchant then you can be assured that what they say it is will be correct, however if you pick up something that's been laying around it's sometimes very difficult to tell what it is. There are tricks to indicate...
- high carbon steel is much tougher to machine
- when ground (on a bench grinder), mild steel sparkes are long, redish and streaky while high carbon steel sparkes much brighter, yellow and almost incandecent. Try this, take a piece of something you know is mild steel (angle iron) and an old file. Go to the bench grinder and compare the sparkes made when ground.

Bottom line. Before you spend time making something, take a small piece and heat it to bright red and throw it into water. (take care) Can you file it? (use the old file) BTW, when steel gets to the 'right' temperture for quenching it looses it's attraction to magnets.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:54 AM
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If you buy it from a merchant then you can be assured that what they say it is will be correct, ....
I did buy from a Machine shop in Lismore.

Thanks for the test techniques, will try them later today.
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Old 13-01-2009, 06:04 PM
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RA Shaft bearings fitted.

Hi All,

The main bearings have been purchased and the RA shaft fitted.

Paranoia about getting the shaft diameter spot on (50mm) and the central hole in the drive wheel neat, but I think I have succeeded.

More later.
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I'm watching this with keen interest Jeff. Well done so far! I've always wanted to upscale my G11, and was going to machine everything myself except for the wheels - which I was looking into sourcing a set of Byers for.

Very nice indeed. Can't wait to see more.
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Old 28-01-2009, 07:31 PM
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Hi All,
Another bit constructed.

Left, Threading worm 10TPI 2"dia.
Cent & Right, Mount plate.
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Old 31-01-2009, 06:43 PM
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Hi All,
Finally began to index the drive wheels after constructing the indexing tool.
Each cut is 1 degree ie 360 teeth.

As can be seen this is from the first cut, I plan to "go 'round again' for a deeper cut. Any advise from the guru's?

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Old 01-03-2009, 08:02 PM
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Hi All,
After a bit of a break away from the project progress has restarted.
The indexing tool was hardened by the TAS Faculty at work as part of the M&E class and the RA gear was indexed.

The thread 10TPI has been cut and groved ready to be hardened, again at work, and the unit fitted to the shaft.

Work has begun on the rest to hob the gears.
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Old 17-04-2009, 05:56 PM
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Hi All,
Work has re-commenced.
As per previous post the rest for hobbing the gear has been finished and hobbing begun.
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Old 19-04-2009, 09:26 AM
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Hi All,
12" RA worm-wheel teeth cut, yet to be polished against the worm.

Next is the Dec.
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Old 20-04-2009, 02:00 PM
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Looking good so far... This thing will be a monster when complete!
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