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Old 24-11-2008, 06:03 PM
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I am confused.
I must have it wrong... is the concensus of opinion that matter does not fall into a black hole but remains at the event horizon.
I have no problem that an observer will see that but does the matter fall in or not?
Sorry but I want to be as clear as this stuff can allow me to be I feel I must be missing something... a common feeling for me.
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Old 24-11-2008, 07:07 PM
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Steven you said.

A change in frequency results in a change in time it takes the photon to reach it's destination.

Sorry I dont understand given the wonderful chat on light. Is a change in frequency the same as a change in wave length.. I am thinking that a cahnge in frequency must change the wave lenght.

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Alex,

What you are saying is true but the calculations involves the fractional change in frequency. This relates to time by the very simple formula.

(delta v)/v = t.

delta v is the change of frequency in the gravitational field.
v is the unchanged frequency.
t= time dilation.

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Old 24-11-2008, 07:14 PM
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I am confused.
I must have it wrong... is the concensus of opinion that matter does not fall into a black hole but remains at the event horizon.
I have no problem that an observer will see that but does the matter fall in or not?
Sorry but I want to be as clear as this stuff can allow me to be I feel I must be missing something... a common feeling for me.
alex
In the matter's frame of reference it will fall into the black hole past the event horizon.

To all observers outside the event horizon matter will travel as far as the event horizon but not cross it.

What this means in reality is that as matter gets closer to the event horizon, the time interval for a photon from the matter to reach an observer increases due to time dilation. The time dilation is caused by a difference in the gravitational potentials of the observer and the matter.

At the event horizon the difference in the gravitational potentials become infinitely large. Hence a photon at the event horizon will never reach the observer. From the observer's frame of reference the matter appears to be stationary at the horizon despite the fact matter has passed through the horizon.

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Steven

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Old 24-11-2008, 07:41 PM
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Thank you Steven that was most helpful.
If there is ever anything I can help you with please let me know I would love to be able to repay the time you take with me.

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Old 25-11-2008, 07:16 AM
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Glad to help you.

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