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Old 16-08-2008, 05:43 PM
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Wooohooo!!!

Got the ATEN USB-to-Serial adaptor working!

I had to download the ASCOM Celestron Unified drivers; went into Starrynight, selected 'Skywatcher Mount' in ASCOM Options/Celestron Scope Driver/Skywatcher Mount.. and it came alive!!!

Almost fell off my chair!
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Old 16-08-2008, 07:58 PM
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That's good news Leonad . Saves me from having to prove on my mount.
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Old 16-08-2008, 09:02 PM
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That's good news Leonad . Saves me from having to prove on my mount.
Heheh. Thanks anyways.
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Old 19-08-2008, 12:28 PM
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Thanks gents
I seemed to have opened a can of worms. I am now tossing up between the Bintel adaptor (should work) and a pcmcia to serial card. There are also usb to 4 serial port adaptors available. I wonder how good they are.
I have read quite a few threads on USB and it is not as "universal" as it could be, particularly on lappies.
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Old 27-08-2008, 10:19 AM
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Losmandy Gemini + Vista + Converter?

G'day all,

I've been trying to get my Losmandy Gemini running connected to my new Vista laptop. My old USB -> RS232 converter doesn't appear to work with Vista.

So I went out and bought a new Belkin one. It seems to not function either, same symptom that TheSky just can't connect to the telescope. The Belkin one has send/receive indicators on it. The send indicator flashes but nothing on the receive indicator.

Can anyone vouch for a particular converter and Vista and Gemini? I'm considering the Bintel one but on their website it doesn't mention Vista.

Thanks,
Roger.

PS. I should add that I am purposefully avoiding the Express Card option, as I'd much prefer to keep my current system of only one USB cable from scope to laptop, with hub at the scope.
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Old 27-08-2008, 01:05 PM
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Hi All,

You may be interested in this device, saw it posted on the Gemini_users yahoo group.

http://astronomystores.net/store/car...category_id=13

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Old 27-08-2008, 01:56 PM
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Roger, as before I suggest you try the ATen one, Leinad got his running, I believe he is running Vista. The Aten unit is under $30.
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Old 27-08-2008, 03:35 PM
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vista

have you tried backdating from vista to windows xp.i did it with my new laptop.i couldnt get my gstar conected to vista.works great now
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Old 27-08-2008, 03:52 PM
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have you tried backdating from vista to windows xp.i did it with my new laptop.i couldnt get my gstar conected to vista.works great now
Thanks, but I intend to stay on Vista. (controversial I know, so I'll leave it at that!)
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Old 27-08-2008, 04:16 PM
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Roger, as before I suggest you try the ATen one, Leinad got his running, I believe he is running Vista. The Aten unit is under $30.
Yeah, ok .. I'll just go with that. Found'm on StaticIce for $24 so will get two of them and be done with it (one for Gemini, one for 350D).

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Old 27-08-2008, 04:19 PM
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G'day all,

I've been trying to get my Losmandy Gemini running connected to my new Vista laptop. My old USB -> RS232 converter doesn't appear to work with Vista.

So I went out and bought a new Belkin one. It seems to not function either, same symptom that TheSky just can't connect to the telescope. The Belkin one has send/receive indicators on it. The send indicator flashes but nothing on the receive indicator.

Can anyone vouch for a particular converter and Vista and Gemini? I'm considering the Bintel one but on their website it doesn't mention Vista.

Thanks,
Roger.

PS. I should add that I am purposefully avoiding the Express Card option, as I'd much prefer to keep my current system of only one USB cable from scope to laptop, with hub at the scope.
Hi Roger,

If you are like me and subscribe to the "life is just too short" philosophy,
buy yourself a Keyspan USA-19HS USB Serial Adapter.

It works. Period.

There are many other brands on the market and most with a lower price point
than the Keyspan. There are many users that have luck with other brands.
However, through the enormous amount of interaction we have had through
thousands of customers around the world, running every variant of all the
popular OS's (i.e. Windows - including Vista, Mac OS X, Linux), the Keyspan
solution has always just worked.

As a result of the worldwide war of attrition of users doing battle with various
serial solutions, we decided several years ago to recommend and stock the
Keyspan adapter ourselves. We essentially stock it as a service to our
customers with the added motivation on our part that its reliability as a solution
means less support calls. Important when you are dealing with thousands
of users with diverse backgrounds and levels of experience.

A good adapter is combination of a good hardware and a good driver.
Whereas USB was optimized for bulk data transfers, most telescope
control applications are typified by a single or handful of bytes being transferred
at a time. Many adapters on the market simply fail in some applications because
they don't handle small data transfers correctly.

One of the other advantages of the Keyspan is that it comes with a diagnostic
utility called the Keyspan Serial Assistant that provides diagnostic features
as well as allows you to see at a glance the port assignment and
change it, rather than having to drill down through the Windows hardware
menus.

Its success as a solution is also well known in many environments outside of
the astronomy control world. As a result, we now and then sell them to people
who have mission critical applications in areas such as the mining sector,
Point of Sale (POS) terminal interfaces, veterinarians and manufacturing.
A good example was an American who called from a dock in Brisbane who
had just sailed from San Francisco and was heading into the shark and
pirate infested waters of Indonesia. "Did we have a Keyspan Adapter in stock
and could we get it to him today", was the query. When I explained that it
would at least take overnight, since we were in Sydney, he decided to stay in
port for an additional night. Apparently he already used them and required
another for some navigational equipment. We sent him his adapter and
I thought to myself, "Here is a man whose life might well depend on the
reliability of this adapter and he knew exactly which brand and model to buy".

One can go out and find other adapters for as little as ten dollars.
But many end up being hundreds of dollars worth of time and trouble.

Buy it anywhere but just buy a Keyspan.

Hope this tip is helpful.

Best Regards

Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place, Mount Kuring-Gai
NSW. 2080. Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
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Old 27-08-2008, 04:39 PM
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Hi Roger,

If you are like me and subscribe to the "life is just too short" philosophy,
buy yourself a Keyspan USA-19HS USB Serial Adapter.

Doh, all of 5 seconds too late Gary, litterally - just bought the ATEN one. One only in fact.

I might yet buy the Keyspan at the rate I'm going

Thanks for your input Gary.

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Old 27-08-2008, 05:42 PM
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Doh, all of 5 seconds too late Gary, litterally - just bought the ATEN one. One only in fact.

I might yet buy the Keyspan at the rate I'm going

Thanks for your input Gary.

Roger.
Hi Roger,

Now if the Universities had taught we engineers how to touch type
rather than waste our time on General Studies, I may have been quicker on
the draw.

No worries. And don't panic. Some have reported luck here with the ATEN
and if the ends justifies the means and it works for you on the mount and
camera under Vista, you are set!

However, perhaps the thread would have been shorter if I had come in earlier.

"Keyspan" should really be a knee-jerk response in my opinion on forums when it comes
to a reliable USB Serial recommendation for astronomy control applications.
As you know, we provide service to customers worldwide, seven days a week
and so we get to hear the stories about all the brands of Serial adapters
people use. The nice thing for us is I know that when we ship
one of the Keyspan adapters half-way around the world, perhaps to somewhere like
Norway, along with one of our own telescope computers, is that we are not going
to see it come back and that it is known and proven to work.

If you ever need one and can't find them, as i mention, we normally have them in stock.

Best Regards

Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place, Mount Kuring-Gai
NSW. 2080. Australia
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Old 27-08-2008, 06:06 PM
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Roger,

The CD has 'many' drivers. Ensure you use the Vista Driver. Im at work now; but from memory the front label on the box shows the version you need to load. UC232A from memory? I can check this when I get home.

The only problem I had was I didnt load and select the correct Ascom
drivers. The data transfer rate seems excellent! The mount operates just as it would using HC.
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Old 27-08-2008, 08:19 PM
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The best thing really, as per advise on some discussion groups, is to use an old pc with genuine serial ports to do your updates from. I use an Aten usb to serial for all my other stuff no worries.
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Old 29-08-2008, 11:53 AM
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Courier just dropped off my new ATEN unit ... so tonight's the night I get to see how easily I can get it working, looking forward to it
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Old 30-08-2008, 12:48 AM
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Hmm, no joy with the ATEN so far, sorry to say.

I will admit I installed the wrong driver first - I blame the dodgy documentation (rightly or wrongly). But I have since un-installed that, and installed the Vista software, a few times.

Vista seems to reconise it fine, but TheSky & POTH just don't seem to be able to connect. With the other adaptors TheSky sits there for a while thinking about it, with this one it's an immediate failure, as if the port isn't there at all.

TheSky says that it could not open the com port.

Hmm, I'll continue to fiddle with it.

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Old 30-08-2008, 09:29 AM
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Thanks to all
As the person who started all this, I just want to thank everyone for their input. It's been most informative and I would like to thank the founders of IIS for a great forum.
Looks like the Keyspan is the answer.
Now I am going to start another thread on a similar theme-Video input to USB or PCMCIA devices and where to get same.

Cheers Nev
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Old 30-08-2008, 03:50 PM
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I would imagine he's referring to the cable between the adapter and his equipment. There aren't that many leads involved, some interfaces use as little as 3 (transmit data, recieve data and signal ground) for bothway comms. There are other handshaking leads RTS, CTS, CD, DTR, DSR (request to send, clear to send, carrier detect, Data set ready and data terminal ready) which are sometimes used.

The EQ6 Synscan interface only uses TX & RX data and signal ground. There's a diagram of the cable in appendix B of the Sysncan Manual.
Which colours what
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Old 30-08-2008, 04:16 PM
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with this one it's an immediate failure, as if the port isn't there at all.
It is most likely that the com port isn't assigned to a number that your software is recognising. Most software looks for com ports from 1 to 4 often the USB device will install as a higher number. Try looking in the device manager and reassign the com port of the Aten to something in the range 1-4.
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