Although this post may be of discomfort to some, I am sure you will see it for the article that it is.
I was looking through some old stuff that I have and came across this, rather than blabing on about this, I think the four images will tell the story, the cover chick of the day wasn't half bad either in 1973.
How to demolish the twin towers, was on the agenda when the time was right, but that did get sorted out, by you know who
Hi Leon
You should try and source a documentary called Improbable Collapse.
That should shed a lttle more light on the twin tower demise.
Regards
Steve
Hi Leon
You should try and source a documentary called Improbable Collapse.
That should shed a lttle more light on the twin tower demise.
Regards
Steve
The whole 9/11 conspiracy thing has as many holes as the government explanations when you start to look at it (and I have).
Ockham's razor has to be employed at the end of the day I think as to which side of the fence one plants one's feet.
The whole 9/11 conspiracy thing has as many holes as the government explanations when you start to look at it (and I have).Doug
Hi Doug
There are 5 things about this documentary which stand out.
1. The Fireman and rescue workers oral reports being suppressed until a court order had them released.
2. The molten metal.
3. The collapse of building 7.
4. The fact that 3 buildings in the same place at the time all collapse in their own footprint. A first in all the years of mankind building skyscrapers.
5. The medias refusal to show the footage of building 7 collapsing
Quite frankly I wouldnt put any past the US Government or any other government for that matter.
A few thousand lives is a cheap price to pay for huge political gain.
Just look at the way the British behaved with regard to Pearl Harbour and that is fact not conspiracy theory.
Regards
Steve
Nothing gets my blood boiling more than the suggestion the twin towers was a con job.
I have worked in the airline industry of close to 30 years now, and spoken directly with US colleagues who had friends & relatives die that day. Been to ground zero in NYC. Seen all the video.
A few tens of thousands litres of burning JP4 and truss construction is all you needed.....plus a woefully inadequate flight deck security policy of the day. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
IMHO this sort of utter rubbish comes from same loonies who think the earth is flat & the moon shots were a conspiracy. Apparently there were even people on the Titanic who were adamant she could not sink....
I must say that I felt the same way before seeing the video "Improbable Collapse". The video footage cannot be disputed and the arguments presented were reasonable.
I am naturally suspicious of governments and have a keen interest in modern history. The old adage of history repeating itself is IMHO a reality. Governments have done some atrocious things in the past and I doubt whether that will ever change.
I dont believe that the earth is flat or that the moon landing was faked but the 5 points I mentioned stood out as unexplained by the three official reports of the whole sad tragedy.
We have all had friends and relatives who died in horrible circumstances and nothing will change that, not even retribution.
Imagine what facts will be presented when the official documents relating to the assination of Kennedy will reveal when they are released into the public domain, if they ever are.
Blind trust in Governmental agencies and their press releases are IMHO short sighted and naive. They have lied before and no doubt they will lie again.
My sympathies go out to all the survivors of any tragedy and I hope that these tragedies do not happen again.
I will say no more on this topic.
Regards
Steve
I watched the live footage of this terrible thing. I have also watched the Improbable collapse "Documentary". Sorry guys, they got hit by a couple of aircraft carrying tons of highly inflamable fuel, at a speed that would increase the effects and in just the right spot to do max damage. The only possible cover up is the designers saving their a**s. I don't trust poli's of any country either, but in this case it was what you saw on that original footage that did the damage. The perpetrators did their homework, they knew exactly where to hit, but I somehow think that even they didn't imagine that it would have such devastating effect.
And lets not forget the fact that the three main perps in this act Bin Laden,
Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed were all trained engineers,
trained in the US I believe.
And lets not forget the fact that the three main perps in this act Bin Laden,
Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed were all trained engineers,
trained in the US I believe.
I'll just correct myself here a lil, Ramzi Binalshibh was refused a visa into
the US. So he never went there... went to Germany instead. No engineering
training... just a fanatical.
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed studied at the North Carolina Agricultural and
Technical State University,completing a degree in mechanical engineering.
Bin Laden studied economics and business administration at King Abdulaziz
University. And reports suggest bin Laden earned a degree in civil
engineering.
Ok guys lets get serious here, just say, as some of you do that it was con job, and the US did it themselves.
Count the number of people involved in such a conspiricy, they would range into the 1000's, and not once has a word been uttered by one of these people in a state of being pissed in some bar, said the wrong thing at the wrong time, etc, etc,etc,
We all can be brain washed into believing some well put together film, report or other.
We all can be brain washed into believing some well put together film, report or other.
After reading all the responses I must have one more post.
1. Perhaps we can all be brainwashed by the government propoganda which is far more prevalent than any thing else.
2. Which aeroplane with how much fuel flew into building 7 which collapsed in record time with all the symptoms of controlled implosion. If you watch the video that fact is unequivocable.
3. Who at any stage said that terrorists were not involved. And always remember that one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.
4. Why was the post office building not substantially damaged. It was just as close to the main towers.
5. Not too mention the other points I raised in my original post.
As far as the involved not saying anything when are they pissed in a bar , perhaps they dont drink as it is against their religion.
How many people are working for the CIA or FBI or any other intelligence agencies who are privy to horrendous deeds say anything about this in public. Maybe its a case of jobs worth, more than me jobs worth.
Perhaps the personal cost is too high.
It would be lovely to have peace and honesty in the world for all to enjoy but lets face it, its not gonna happen as there is too much avarice and megolamania.
Steve I do believe that the Governments of our time have a lot to answer for, and that things happen that we would find unbelievable, I know they can be lairs and do stuff that would make the average person vomit.
Having said that, I feel that there are so many theorys around the twin tower destruction that some are at a point to believe anything that they feel will put there mind at rest, even if it is crap spread by the media, and all those supposed learned people.
Why cant most accept that it was a gross act, that did more damage than they expected, and actually brought the towers down.
I believe it was a deliberate act, by some members of this world that should never have been born.
I used to work for Monash Uni, and I was talking one day to a structural engineer and architect professor. We got on to the case of how in the hell were they going to dismantle all these skyscrapers. He stated that nobody knew as yet! But he was certain that it was going to cost almost as much to take them down as it was to put them up. And that most of the sky scrapers were going to have a 50 year life span.
Its interesting that the WTC being knocked down by two planes has not only saved the buildings owners several billions of dollars in future demolition costs, but also delivered a $10 billion dollar insurance windfall to them.
Nothing gets my blood boiling more than the suggestion the twin towers was a con job.
I have worked in the airline industry of close to 30 years now, and spoken directly with US colleagues who had friends & relatives die that day. Been to ground zero in NYC. Seen all the video.
A few tens of thousands litres of burning JP4 and truss construction is all you needed.....plus a woefully inadequate flight deck security policy of the day. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
IMHO this sort of utter rubbish comes from same loonies who think the earth is flat & the moon shots were a conspiracy. Apparently there were even people on the Titanic who were adamant she could not sink....
Here are some FACTS of what the US government is capabale of and how easily it LIES to its own people and the rest of the world.
And its not like the US doesn't have a history of 'provoking' a war, for its own political ends. But you know all about the American / Spanish war don't you?
Lives lost due to "War on Myth". = over 3249 US lives lost. Over 100,000 wounded.
So, in light of the FACTS about the US involvment in a war it justified on a lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction, in a country that had no connection to Alqueda, that is deemed an 'illegal war' by definition of the United Nations.
Way to stifle uninformed debate with FACTS Night Owl!!!
US = BAD
Rest of World = ? what ?
You neglected to state the catalog of horor perpetrated by other regimes in the name of their 'advancement'!
No dispute over the links you cited, but balance is imperative.
Cliche I know, but the fact that we can debate/discuss this stuff on public forums negates the conspiracy theory to a degree.
And, for conspiracy theory to hold, one must assume the government to be competent and functional enough to perpetrate the act, which seems a little far fetched - take a look around you...poor healthcare, education, infrastructure etc etc. If they can't even come close to getting that right...9/11 would be their only success!!!!!!
And, armed with all these web page links, all this accumulated knowledge of how evil WE are (they're our representatives after all - US/UK/AU) - what can you / we do !!??
Blog!!!??
Post diatribe in astronomy forums!!!??
I recently discussed a lot of this stuff (9/11 conspiracy) with a friend who is literate, well travelled, engaged in the events of today...I stated how I thought the US were complicit in the whole thing (albeit after watching these unbalanced YouTube docos) - his glazed expression and shoulder shrugs shocked me and brought me back to an uneasy reality...
Many don't care!
Many feel impotent - so much so that public expession of any contrary view to that repeated by the TV news is 'embarrasing'!!!!
Perhaps I'm playing devil's advocate in my own argument here, but maybe all the events stated in Night Owl's post have culminated in this selfish attitude of our western society?
Sigh!
I feel I must once again join the fray after reading the latest posts.
I started this debate after reading Leon's post which ended with an open ended statement
"How to demolish the twin towers, was on the agenda when the time was right, but that did get sorted out, by you know who ".
So in my foolishness I posted a reference to a documentary which I had recently watched.
I then commented on the irrefutable video footage and the reasonableness of the argument presented.I still noted 5 issues in this regard.
I was met with an insult to my intelligence with a reference to loonies, flat earth society, moonshot skeptic and a believer in unsinkable ships. All this based on unbridled emotion, which is a human reaction and is totally understandable given a personal connection to the tragedy,an insinuation that I have been brainwashed at the age of 54 by a 1 hour documentary and now it has been stated that the debate is uninformed diatribe and does not belong in this forum.
I understood general chat to be anything unrelated to astronomy. What puzzles me about this whole vitriolic turn to to this debate is that no one has offered any reasonable rebuttal to the 5 points I mentioned and instead stuck to the obvious ie that aircraft and jet fuel caused the demise of the towers and the expected government line. There is no argument about the initiating events but please offer some form of logical rebuttal to my original statements.
Now given that the whole sad drama took place in the USA I would imagine that any complicity would be American with perhaps some of their Allies.
Be they of any nationality.
No-one needs to remind me as a South African of the heinous nature of governments especially those with a Nationalist bent ,as I have experienced it first hand albeit not as badly as our own aboriginals.
As Australians i would imagine that you feel the same about your own government given their history with the aboriginal people.
However the debate was about the USA and therefore Owls comments IMHO were valid albeit it a trifle sarcastic and facetious (my fave expression).
Please meet reason with reason and not innuendos.
As for the "You know what to do" statement my reasoning tells me that is was directed at the american public to do something about the type of leaders they so happily elect time and time again.
For any one to believe that governments globally are squeaky clean and filled with integrity is also likely to deny to reality of Hitler and the Holocaust
Once again if you have something useful to add please try to be logical and not irrational.
Kind Regards
Steve
ps i do not mean this to be an affront to any so please take it in spirit of lively debate.
Ok guys lets get serious here, just say, as some of you do that it was con job, and the US did it themselves.
Count the number of people involved in such a conspiricy, they would range into the 1000's, and not once has a word been uttered by one of these people in a state of being pissed in some bar, said the wrong thing at the wrong time, etc, etc,etc,
leon
There are precidents Leon...
Though it included over 30 different research and production sites, the Manhattan Project was chiefly carried out in three secret scientific cities: Hanford, Washington, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, and Los Alamos, New Mexico http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1644.html
The scientists recruited to work on the Manhattan Project, and their families, had to work in complete secrecy. Their drivers’ licenses listed only numbers, not names. Even relatives could not know where the scientists were working. All of their mail was screened to ensure they said nothing to give away their location. Photographs could not include anything that might identify the landscape of New Mexico http://www.mrdowling.com/706-manhattanproject.html
frank.
O' And in covering both sides of the debate,
if anyone here thinks a passenger jet couldn't fly that low as to hit the pentagon, check this cool airshow stunt out.
