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Old 18-11-2007, 09:35 PM
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Another homemade light box

This one is literally a light box. I sat down to make a box today, and then thought of all the cardboard boxes I have stored away..... so one of the observatory building purchases finds a new use....

I went looking for LED's and resistors etc to make a white LED array - but found these LED modules at Jaycar - $19.95 for 10x3 LED's, prewired ready for 12V DC - draws about 150mA. (Jaycar cat no ZD0492)

These are double-sided-taped to a white board in the bottom of the box, and the top of the box is cut out for a piece of 3mm opal acrylic. Produces a very nice even light, and very light on the arms to hold up to the objective too. I wired an RCA plug to match my DIY dew heater arrangement.

This was made as a prototype, but I may just cover it in contact to fight dew and see how long it lasts!
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Old 18-11-2007, 09:44 PM
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Not trying to be critical but I thought you would get a more even light if the inside of the box was white. This would reflect things around more.
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Old 18-11-2007, 09:49 PM
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how does this one work Lee? is it like a rear projection screen - onto an opal surface?
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Old 18-11-2007, 10:01 PM
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how does this one work Lee? is it like a rear projection screen - onto an opal surface?
Exactly - there are 30 LEDs at the bottom, their light is diffuse by the time their beams get to the opal, which diffuses it more. Just hold in front of the objective....

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Not trying to be critical but I thought you would get a more even light if the inside of the box was white. This would reflect things around more.
I thought of lining the insides with the same white card from the bottom, but since I was prototyping thought I'd see how it went without - seems fine.

I'll post a flat frame soon.....
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Old 18-11-2007, 10:21 PM
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Flat frame - there is a slight darkening towards to top of this frame - unsure if this is due to the box or the scope - will do some more tests.....
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Old 18-11-2007, 10:47 PM
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yuk whats that on the right!!! LOL
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Old 19-11-2007, 05:56 AM
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Looks pretty noisy - what ISO did you shoot it at?
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Old 19-11-2007, 06:51 AM
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One spec of dust - happy with that - you should have seen it before I cleaned the CCD cover!

It is a bit noisy - I haven't quite worked out the exposure settings yet Mike - too tired last night. Flat shot with DSI Pro - so no ISO.
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Old 19-11-2007, 06:59 AM
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ah ok. All these DIY lightboxes.. i'm going to have to make my own one day soon.
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Old 19-11-2007, 07:04 AM
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Hi Lee

Nice job with the light box, the results look very promising – well done! I used single high intensity LED’s (x6) and mounted the LEDs in the “mouth” of my light box so they reflected back down the bucket I used, to then reflect back towards the OTA aperture where they were further diffused by a sheet of opaque Perspex.

I usually plan to shoot 10 Flats and then do a Median Combine and it makes a significant difference to the appearance of the combined Flat. The graininess almost disappears and the final median Flat looks so much smoother. I think the recommended exposure is that required to fill the well depth of the sensor to around 30%?

I’ve yet to test mine!

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Another one!
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Old 19-11-2007, 07:52 AM
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LOL its a light bucket!! nice take on that Dennis
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Old 19-11-2007, 08:08 AM
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What appears promising with Lee’s design is that it is simple and appears quite effective from the results posted so far. I don’t have the smarts to perform any mathematical modelling or light ray tracing, so I just followed the advice on several websites which had the light bouncing off the inner walls and the bottom of the bucket to “flatten” it, before finally striking the main diffuser.

Lee’s design seems to achieve this via direct illumination of the diffuser by a bank of LED’s, which certainly simplifies the design and build process in my book.

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Old 19-11-2007, 09:54 AM
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will that bucket fit on my head? i have the urge to wear a lit bucket...

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Hi Lee

Nice job with the light box, the results look very promising – well done! I used single high intensity LED’s (x6) and mounted the LEDs in the “mouth” of my light box so they reflected back down the bucket I used, to then reflect back towards the OTA aperture where they were further diffused by a sheet of opaque Perspex.

I usually plan to shoot 10 Flats and then do a Median Combine and it makes a significant difference to the appearance of the combined Flat. The graininess almost disappears and the final median Flat looks so much smoother. I think the recommended exposure is that required to fill the well depth of the sensor to around 30%?

I’ve yet to test mine!

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Old 19-11-2007, 10:50 AM
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will that bucket fit on my head? i have the urge to wear a lit bucket...
Josh your a sad man - I have no desire to take flats of your noggin
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Now we are talking, see what you started Huff. That ugly duckling of yours has spawned all this DIY, well done.
I too have one, and will shoot a picture of it. Unfortunately it is redundant, as the scope I built it specifically for (TSA102) is no longer with me, and the replacement is an 8" newt, so it don't fit.
The light bucket is where I am headed, good idea Dennis. I normally aim for an ADU of about 20,000, is this about right?
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Old 19-11-2007, 06:14 PM
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>snip. I normally aim for an ADU of about 20,000, is this about right?
Hi Gary

Yep – 20,000 ADU is about the number I aim for too with the ST7E.

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Old 19-11-2007, 06:40 PM
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Gary - is it something that can be shipped? You know my DIY skills are less than skillful
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Old 19-11-2007, 07:29 PM
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Seeing this is a show and tell.
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...4&d=1176622217 (tidied it up since then and no white showing)
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...5&d=1176622217 A shot from the front just for the hell of it Yes I know it is very yellow but

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...7&d=1176622481

for the SBIG depending on what colour I want depends on how long I make the exposure. The colour doesn't seem to matter with the DSLR as it is converted to 16bit grey scale in IP for flat fielding anyway.

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...5&d=1176643216

The result from sitting on my 8" SCT

I measured the output across the face of the lightbox and there is less than 0.2 lux difference between the center and any other spot around the screen.

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...9&d=1176643216

The final result.
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Old 19-11-2007, 09:36 PM
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Hi Guys, well I'm probably going to ask the dumbest question of all time and should probably know the answer, but, do you use the light box in the day or at night, never used one, or seen one for that matter other than on IIS.

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