2012 - astro events

Sgtfretsurfer · #1 07-09-2007, 06:08 PM

ok, so iv been reading some interesting theories about dooms day! yep, yet another theory that the world is going to end. this time in 2012.

As always, i am highly skeptical.

From my reading, alot of the dooms day stuff comes from predictions based on mayan mysticism. To cut a very long story short, the mayans used to make predictions based on astronomical events (the mayans were big on studying astronomical pattens). They used very precise and intricate calenders to determine that there will be a significant astro event on dec 21st 2012, and they think that it will lead to the end of the world.

I dont believe that the world will end in 2012.

But i am very intrigued by the astro event. Apparently, the sun will line up with the center of the milky way for the first time in 25 thousand years, the earth may 'wobble' on its axis, and the earth will enter some type of photon belt for a year. It makes me wonder if this will lead to repercussion here at ground zero.

Seeing as you guys have a rather objective and scientific point of view on astronomical events, what do u guys think?

Sgtfretsurfer · #2 07-09-2007, 06:12 PM

if your interested, heres a doco on the mayan point of view on this event.
http://www.tv-links.co.uk/listings/9/4750
Its called mayan dooms day prophecy

Blue Skies (Jacquie) · #3 07-09-2007, 07:11 PM

Sounds like a big pile of rubbish to me.

Firstly, how can the sun 'line up' with the centre of the galaxy? At any point in time you will always have a direct line to the centre of the galaxy. I would want this 'line up' defined a bit better first of all.

Second, the earth wobbles on it's axis already. The effect is called precession and its been known for a long time that a full wobble takes around 26,000 years.

Lastly, define 'photon belt' better. A photon is a light particle. My physics knowledge isn't top class but a belt of light sounds a bit weird to me.

Sgtfretsurfer · #4 07-09-2007, 07:54 PM

Yeh, i would also like to know the answer to your questions. Im not advocating that these claims are real, more exposing that these claims are being made (google dooms day 2012 and you will see), and questioning their validity.
The real reason i made this thread, are all these claims just mysticism, or is there really some significant astro event occuring in 2012?

Ill do some research, and let you know what I come up with

Sgtfretsurfer · #5 07-09-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Skies

Second, the earth wobbles on it's axis already. The effect is called precession and its been known for a long time that a full wobble takes around 26,000 years.

well, it was mentioned that the event only happens every 25000 years, so perhaps the next wobble is starting in 2012....? any thoughts?

joe_smith · #6 07-09-2007, 08:48 PM

Now this is really going to be good, we have 2 great events in 2012. The Solar eclipse thats going to happen for us on Tuesday 13 November 2012, that event is really going to affect the suns photons we see

and the end of the world on the 21st. The mayans were pretty smart for 2300 year old jungle tribe so we will just have to wait and see i reckon................

Ric · #7 07-09-2007, 10:52 PM

"It's the end of the world as we know it"

My apologys to REM

Glenhuon (Bill) · #8 07-09-2007, 11:14 PM

[quote=Ric;251027]"It's the end of the world as we know it"

Oh No! Not again

Sgtfretsurfer · #9 07-09-2007, 11:17 PM

fear not, the advanced race of nibiru will save us

.. or perhaps they are the end

thunderchildobs · #10 07-09-2007, 11:22 PM

I thought the world ended in 2000. I remember seeing a book 2 or 3 years ago about.

Brendan

astroron (Ron) · #11 07-09-2007, 11:39 PM

How many times in the last 50 years as some nutter come out and said that life on Earth is going to end

What intrigues me is that people believe it

Blue Skies (Jacquie) · #12 08-09-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgtfretsurfer

well, it was mentioned that the event only happens every 25000 years, so perhaps the next wobble is starting in 2012....? any thoughts?

no no no no no - I'm sorry but you really need to look this up and understand what precession is. The earth's axis is on a constant wobble, it is happening right now and all the time. It's not just some random event, it is a constant progression. That's why the statement that the earth would wobble on it's axis on the 21st Dec 2012 is a load of manure, the earth is already constantly doing it!

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #13 08-09-2007, 12:16 AM

I'll let you know in 2013 how it all turns out

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Originally Posted by Sgtfretsurfer

fear not, the advanced race of nibiru will save us

as their space-faring planet drifts past

But don't forget that it won't just affect us! What about the 600 million people on Mars, and the Millions on all the other planets in our Solar System!!! It's gonna play Havoc with the Air-conditioning on Mercury, and probably stuff up the Planet-wide Heating System on the outer Planets

Oh dear, we're all DOOOOMED

ngcles · #14 08-09-2007, 12:30 AM

Hi All,

Yes, there will be some incredible astro events in 2012.

Transit of Venus in June.

Total Solar Eclipse in November (far Nrth QLD).

At least they've done the right thing and scheduled the apocolypse to take place afterward. I'd be pretty cranky otherwise. I'll plan for a quiet Christmas though. Have to remember not to waste money buying presents for the wife and daughter that year.

On a more serious note, it is BUNK pure and simple. The Milky Way core - Sun - Earth alignment on Dec 21st 2007, 2008, 2009 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 is all essentially identical. Precession moves the Sun's position of course, but over the course of just a few years it's 2/3rds of 5/8ths of damn all.

A "photon belt" is a made-up name that is intended to frighten the life out of stupid people. Since when has a photon of visible light ever hurt anyone. Good grief, we use telescopes to collect them and funnel them into our eyes don't we?

Yes Gamma, X-Rays and UV can be harmful. So can looking at the Sun through an unfiltered telescope but a photon belt??

Phooey !!

Best,

Les Dalrymple
Contributing Editor
Australian Sky & Telescope

dugnsuz (Doug) · #15 08-09-2007, 12:38 AM

Sounds lke a good excuse to bang some more gear on the credit card!
Buy now pay never!!!
Realistically though, the Sun lining up with the centre of the universe is like an ant getting in the way of a truck 1000km away - what the hell difference will it make? I love the idea of the astronomical precision of the Mayan calander, but it was devised by a group with a world view far removed from what we know today - like Christianity...Oh crap I'll get this thread shut down with talk like that, big brother n'all that!!
All the best
Doug

joe_smith · #16 08-09-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by astroron

How many times in the last 50 years as some nutter come out and said that life on Earth is going to end

What intrigues me is that people believe it

50 years............ the Mayans said this 2300 years ago. There are a lot prophets that say the same thing as well, not just the Mayans. I guess not many people would of heard of the the Web bot project that stared in the 90's to predict the stock market. What they found with there results was very disturbing.......... and its a very strange conisidence it also points to 2012 look it up (or see the link) . Most people don't think the world will end as in destroyed, but as in a new era will start and the old one will end. Life on Earth is going to end one day when it happens no one knows, but end it will. What I find amazing is the Mayan calender has this date as a big celestial deal. In 2012 next polar reversal is supposed to happen how did they even know a major celestial event has going to happen in the year 2012. Their Calendar is ever more accurate than the one we use now. Who were their teachers. They knew more about the universe over 2000 years ago the we did about 400 years ago, and they reckon the Mayan people didn't even use the wheel as a transport aid because they didn't have the know how. They can make the worlds most accurate calender, but couldn't make a simple cart. I believe we are not making new discoveries only rediscovering what we lost a very, very long time ago, I love this stuff

Oh and if anyone can see in the future or know someone that can. Could you please give me the lotto numbers for the 20 million on next sat night, thanks.

http://aphroditeastrology.com/2007/0...-and-2012.html

dugnsuz (Doug) · #17 08-09-2007, 01:10 AM

joe_smith, your post jogged a memory regarding the Mayan Calendar/end o' the world thing and that was that some experts didn't believe that the event was some cosmic cataclysm, but rather some devastating technological event. As the calendar indicated an end of recorded time some hypothesised that man might have discovered some time altering technology gone wrong - can't believe I'm writing this!!!
Off to bed i think!!
G'night all
Doug

ps - enjoyed your post, but I cant help think that when we/academia look back at cultures we mythologize to a large degree, the past after all is a different country! As for "end of days" scenarios , look no further than the Book of Revelations for an equally strange curtain call embraced by many Xians worldwide and very much alive too!

slice of heaven · #18 08-09-2007, 08:22 AM

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The real reason i made this thread, are all these claims just mysticism, or is there really some significant astro event occuring in 2012?

To the Mayans maybe, the end of the long count for their calender ends on the winter solstice, Dec 21st 2012.
Following the movement of the sky was their way of tracking time through the ages and they did a pretty fair job of it too for ancient eyeballers.

The date is a period ending, not a world ending date.

This link http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html has a few charts for that day with reference to the position of the sun and a connection to their folklore.
Maybe someone can run the date with the location for the Yucatan peninsula through Sky to check it

OneOfOne (Trevor) · #19 08-09-2007, 01:51 PM

Actually, for the Mayans at least, the world ended many hundreds of years ago when the Spaniards found them!

As for us, I am planning to be in Port Douglas for the eclipse, so at least when the world ends, I will go out in comfort!

kenny · #20 08-09-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Skies

Sounds like a big pile of rubbish to me.

Firstly, how can the sun 'line up' with the centre of the galaxy? At any point in time you will always have a direct line to the centre of the galaxy. I would want this 'line up' defined a bit better first of all.

Second, the earth wobbles on it's axis already. The effect is called precession and its been known for a long time that a full wobble takes around 26,000 years.

Food for thought - check out this recent 1h22m documentary on the 2012 galactic alignment with a slight 'scientific twist'. Might even answer the questions above.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87710587821961

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