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Old 12-03-2007, 09:51 AM
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Barndoor Images - First Try, need help

Hi Everyone,

Here is an example of my first try with my barndoor I made last week.

I had a lot of fun last night (it was quite exhilarating to see the first few shots coming up with nebulosity etc) and I'm happy with where I'm going but I have a few questions regarding some tracking issues.

The setup I used was a canon 20D @ ISO 800. Canon 50mm 1.8 @ f2.8 for 3 mins. In camera NR, no darks, flats or multiple exposures.

I have posted my questions and pics of mount here: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...966#post200966

Please have a look... any tips would be appreciated!

Cheers,

Dave.
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:58 PM
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Hi Dave,
great to see innovation....!
I've been a Mel Bartels (the man for innovation) software & control box user for 6 years and can pretty much tune in any 4 phase, 5/6 wire stepper with his software, so I know what you're trying to do here.
Not an easy feat with a set speed motor controller though.

There's so many things you'll have to get right here.....

To make your tracker work/ track better, I think that perhaps you would need to be well polar aligned... although at such large fields of view with your setup, it would not have to be exact. Take a series of say 10 10sec images, blink them together and see if the motors are compensating too much for earth rotation or too little in RA (azimuth). Make sure there's no movement in DEC (altitude) axis, then you'll know exactly where you are.
Lengthen your timber which the camera sits on, related to thread/ motor to slow things down or shorten the timber to speed things up. This is an over simplified method... Perhaps even reduce the voltage to the motor or increase it slightly to compensate... I know they will take less voltage, over voltage is something I'm not too sure of with these little motors.
Also if you have a noisy power supply, this can cause spikes and thus relate to jumps..... perhaps use a car battery for clean power supply.
There's actually formula to work all this out but you'll have to know your gear ratio, steps per full step of your motor and the pitch ratio of your threaded rod.
Also, if there is any binding in your threaded stud, this will relate to 'little jumps' with the stars in your tracking. This has got to run smooth. You could try lubrication and see if this improves things..
Here's probably where you got the idea from...
http://www.jlc.net/~force5/Astro/ATM/Barndoor/barndoor.html

If your keen on building say a control box and using a laptop/ pc controlled system with a stepper motor, Here's Mel's site that you might find useful...
Lots of design innovation can be found from this site... you don't have to use a control box, there's guys who've done as you... just search around the site and find the links to other peoples sites.
http://www.bbastrodesigns.com/BBAstr...ted_Telescopes

3 min is probably a little too ambitious but good for testing I guess..... If you only want to see where this little setup can take you... and since your probably just using the standard canon lens, keep you exposures down to around 1min, or to where there is no obvious trailing on the stars and stack a heap.... Keep you aperture stopped down a bit (reduce star bloat) and increase your ASA... experiment and see where it takes you and what you can produce.

All good fun though and for such little expense...
Good on you and have fun!

Also, since you have a dob, why don't you try and bartelise it...... you'll see heaps of ways to do it from Mel's site then you'll be imaging with it as well ! Just a thought!

Cheers
Rich

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Old 12-03-2007, 01:39 PM
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Interesting Dave!! I always wanted to make something like this to take away on camping trips etc...
Almost looks like periodic errors in the star trails? maybe some play in the threaded rod/gear as it spins?
Sorry I can`t help much but well done!
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:15 PM
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Thanks Guys for all the advise! When I did these tests I used a control box which I built to control the speed of the motor to give exactly 1 RPM. The power supply is a 12V 7ah battery.

This is the Tracker I based mine on: http://www.tucsonastronomy.org/barndoor.html

After playing with the tracker this morning I think my problem might be that the nut which rotate on the rod is not totaly symetrical, so as it rotates it rises and fall a little which gives me my wiggly stars. So I will endeavour to fix this....

However the stars do seem to drift down (or up) in the image. Is this alignment or does my tracker track to fast?

I'll have another play with it tonight and see what I get. I'll try to teach myself a bit of drift aligning.

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Old 12-03-2007, 09:26 PM
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Dave,

Here are a couple of Pic's of my drive as I suggested in the PM to you.

I can get some better ones later if you like, our supply some more info.

Cheers Leon
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Old 13-03-2007, 07:17 AM
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I'm getting there!

Thanks LEON for your help.

Last night I discovered that the nut I was using on the threaded rod was asemetrical and was causing the rod to move very unevenly. So I made a new nut and CD combo with a better nut and everything seemed to work better. As you can see from the shots below, I have managed to remove most of the wiggle (side to side PE) from the image. However after doing a serries of 10 sec exposures to see how my mount was tracking (thanks Richardo) it showed the stars jumping up and down along the same axsis as the tracking. I'm putting this down to my setup not being very smooth yet. I think the tracking speed is very close if not correct as my 4 min exposure below doesn't show star trails just the PE described above.

So I'll work on it some more so smooth it out and I'll see how I go.

The first two images have the same settings as my first post however the last image is 4 min @ f4.0 with canon 20-35 2.8L lens.

I think its gotten a lot better since my first night.


Cheeers,

Dave.
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Old 13-03-2007, 08:00 AM
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Yes Dave, as we talked about before, the smoother you cam get the mechanics to run, the better it will perform..
It is amazing the difference a small tweak here, and there makes.

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