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Old 24-08-2022, 02:06 PM
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Input for computer build

My daughter has suggested a parts list and I post it here in the hope that we get guidance.

This is my/ our effort to build something to be fast wnd efficient for astro photos...

Deep Sky Stacker, Startools, Photoshop..maybe Pixinsite layer...

I am interested in the fastest stacking and hope to stack huge numbers of subs approach...

Any ideas greatly appreciated.


I hope the list appears as a photo.

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Old 24-08-2022, 02:44 PM
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That will be a good system.
I would swap the m.2 drive for a WD black version

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Old 24-08-2022, 03:22 PM
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I am interested in the fastest stacking and hope to stack huge numbers of subs approach...
If you use CCD Stack you need a lot of RAM but PixInsight has a different approach loading each sub separately and releasing memory as it goes during registration so much easier on the system. You just need more disc space. A fast CPU will sure help with data rejection and stacking though.
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Old 24-08-2022, 03:32 PM
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The RAM isn't compatible with the motherboard.
https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/ro...sk_qvl_memory/
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Old 24-08-2022, 03:47 PM
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I would agree with Damien on upgrading the SSD. Samsung pro (not evo) are good too.
Consider strongly getting 2 (good ones: NVME-PCIe4). One for OS and one for Astro image processing. You only need a 1G for OS but get a 2G for astro

go for the 5950x, twice the cores. Cores are what will get you the most boost in your workflow. When grinding data I can afford to wait most times rather than walking away from the PC for a "while"

I would recommend an AIO cooler (3 fan). Arguable quieter and generally better.

10 fans! that's the spirit! You might need a fan controller to tame them

that MB is very exe (IMHO), unless it has something special you need?
https://www.umart.com.au/product/gig...herboard-60113

Also you may not have considered a monitor: https://www.umart.com.au/product/sam...90uqexxy-44162
Get 2 if you can - my old man eyes love mine

Get a larger case rather than smaller if you have the desk space, the more cat swinging space the better. Try not to keep the PC on the floor, they suck heaps of dust on the floor (relatively)

With you penchant for loud palettes I'm kinda disappointed you didn't go full ARGB
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Old 24-08-2022, 04:47 PM
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That will be a good system.
I would swap the m.2 drive for a WD black version

Good luck.
Thank you Damien That sounds good to me.
Alex
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Old 24-08-2022, 04:49 PM
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If you use CCD Stack you need a lot of RAM but PixInsight has a different approach loading each sub separately and releasing memory as it goes during registration so much easier on the system. You just need more disc space. A fast CPU will sure help with data rejection and stacking though.
Thank you Marc. Do I need a better CPU? What do you suggest.?

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Old 24-08-2022, 04:51 PM
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The RAM isn't compatible with the motherboard.
https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/ro...sk_qvl_memory/
Thank you Bruce I will look into that.
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Old 24-08-2022, 04:58 PM
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I would agree with Damien on upgrading the SSD. Samsung pro (not evo) are good too.
Consider strongly getting 2 (good ones: NVME-PCIe4). One for OS and one for Astro image processing. You only need a 1G for OS but get a 2G for astro

go for the 5950x, twice the cores. Cores are what will get you the most boost in your workflow. When grinding data I can afford to wait most times rather than walking away from the PC for a "while"

I would recommend an AIO cooler (3 fan). Arguable quieter and generally better.

10 fans! that's the spirit! You might need a fan controller to tame them

that MB is very exe (IMHO), unless it has something special you need?
https://www.umart.com.au/product/gig...herboard-60113

Also you may not have considered a monitor: https://www.umart.com.au/product/sam...90uqexxy-44162
Get 2 if you can - my old man eyes love mine

Get a larger case rather than smaller if you have the desk space, the more cat swinging space the better. Try not to keep the PC on the floor, they suck heaps of dust on the floor (relatively)

With you penchant for loud palettes I'm kinda disappointed you didn't go full ARGB
Thank you John..I understand some of the things you covered and will pass all onto my daughter who is the brains in the family and will do the build. I would but I am far to clever and will busy myself reading the warranties and makes usa of my experience.

I have the case and as I did not want to throw it out thought to use it

Thanks for everything and I look forward to chatting to you in person.

Alex
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Old 24-08-2022, 09:19 PM
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Yes not a bad build. Could use a cheaper motherboard, as suggested by John. I would absolutely stick with the noctua cooler but personal choice of course. Ram should work but might not hit advertised speeds (when not specifically listed). I would go for a better CPU maybe a 5900x or a 5950x depending on budget. Go with the better nvme as suggested as the drive the os is on - likely won't be upgraded. The 10tb is nice but you could save money here for CPU etc and add to storage later on. Missing a case? I think the linked motherboard doesn't have WiFi - in case she goes for it.

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Old 25-08-2022, 01:29 AM
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Alex, honestly I have never been a fan of partscaster type computers. Sure if your the ultimate computer junkie and get off on bragging about your components, it might excite you. I will suggest you just go out and buy a good high powered gaming computer system, which will be delivered to you fully integrated and be more than you need. Yes you might want to think about a backup drive, but that's all I see any imager needing.
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Old 25-08-2022, 06:19 AM
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Yes not a bad build. Could use a cheaper motherboard, as suggested by John. I would absolutely stick with the noctua cooler but personal choice of course. Ram should work but might not hit advertised speeds (when not specifically listed). I would go for a better CPU maybe a 5900x or a 5950x depending on budget. Go with the better nvme as suggested as the drive the os is on - likely won't be upgraded. The 10tb is nice but you could save money here for CPU etc and add to storage later on. Missing a case? I think the linked motherboard doesn't have WiFi - in case she goes for it.

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Thanks Russell all this advice is fantatic.

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Old 25-08-2022, 06:20 AM
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Hi Alex sounds exciting, however I might have to agree with Glen for build or not to build.

Recently with the help of a very experienced IIS member I too built a new Desktop, with components suggested by this member.

It was exciting buying all the bits and pieces needed to do the job, and when I had everything I slowly put it together.

After much communication and suggestions from my friend I eventually got it all together and pressed that button, if fired up at a 100 miles an hour and all was well.

I now have a great super fast machine, something I have never experienced before and am so happy with it and all the advice and help i got from my mate, plus the experience learned.

To do it again, well not real sure, as it was a bit nerve racking not being experienced I wonder if i would not just buy a complete fully assembled machine as Glen suggested.

Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the end result, but wonder if i would let someone else do all the worrying.

Just my two cents worth.

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Old 25-08-2022, 06:26 AM
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Alex, honestly I have never been a fan of partscaster type computers. Sure if your the ultimate computer junkie and get off on bragging about your components, it might excite you. I will suggest you just go out and buy a good high powered gaming computer system, which will be delivered to you fully integrated and be more than you need. Yes you might want to think about a backup drive, but that's all I see any imager needing.
Yes ordinarily I would agree but I already have the case

There are a couple of reasons why besides having the case ..my daughter recently built herself one and she enjoyed doing the build and I think she may get something out of it and , well you know how I am about having things that someone important to me has built, so there is that aspect. Plus my neighbour will be impressed

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Old 25-08-2022, 06:46 AM
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Hi Alex sounds exciting, however I might have to agree with Glen for build or not to build.

Recently with the help of a very experienced IIS member I too built a new Desktop, with components suggested by this member.

It was exciting buying all the bits and pieces needed to do the job, and when I had everything I slowly put it together.

After much communication and suggestions from my friend I eventually got it all together and pressed that button, if fired up at a 100 miles an hour and all was well.

I now have a great super fast machine, something I have never experienced before and am so happy with it and all the advice and help i got from my mate, plus the experience learned.

To do it again, well not real sure, as it was a bit nerve racking not being experienced I wonder if i would not just buy a complete fully assembled machine as Glen suggested.

Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the end result, but wonder if i would let someone else do all the worrying.

Just my two cents worth.

Leon
Glens advice is precious to me...most of my possessions are a result of Glens guidance...:thumbsup :.. cameras, scopes, observatory and sports car all Glens input..things to me only have value if I link them to someone important to me....and I also greatly value your words Leon as you obviously have a wealth of real world experience....however as I keep saying I already have the case...a fabulous saving not to be ignored...and my daughter will benefit I expect from the additional experience of another build under her belt, but most of all when I sit at that computer money will not buy the pride and joy I will have each and every time I use it knowing my daughter built it and all my friends here involved themselves in the plan...

And I know beyond doubt that these attributes money just can't buy and I will have a computer that is very precious and to me way past any value in terms of cash...

Alex
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Old 25-08-2022, 11:35 AM
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Some places also will put your selected components together for you for a price. So if you were set on your particular parts they would put that all together. This can often be worth it as off the shelf pre builts often have inferior power supplies and slow ram.

Eg pccasegear here https://www.pccasegear.com/products/...-year-warranty
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Old 25-08-2022, 05:58 PM
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Some places also will put your selected components together for you for a price. So if you were set on your particular parts they would put that all together. This can often be worth it as off the shelf pre builts often have inferior power supplies and slow ram.

Eg pccasegear here https://www.pccasegear.com/products/...-year-warranty
Thanks again it is always worthwhile having a plan B.

My daughter has ammended the parts list and suggest a new case which I will present when I am able.

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Old 26-08-2022, 07:29 AM
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My daughter has talked me into a new case (antec 1100 v2) and amended the parts list for comment.

We are totally depending on your expert advice.

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