Newton the next telescope.

xelasnave · #1 23-04-2017, 09:58 AM

I think the Hubble Space Telescope should have been named The Issac Newton Telescope to give recognition to that great man.

Well the reasons are obvious ...the man was a genius above any other before or after.

The Hubble scope is after all a Newtonian telescope and although we here know who invented that scope many would not I expect.

How would NASA placed the Hubble in space without Newtons laws on gravity.
How would NASA do any thing in space without Newtons Gravity?
And does not General Relativity use Newtons Gravity.
And on a side note it ticks me off when folk talking about GR say Newton was wrong and I have even seen a video where Newton is portrayed as a fool.

His math, invented calculus I think, the gold standard his work on optics and I bet there is much more.
NASA should do something name something to pit that great genius on a pedestal...

Alex

okiscopey (Mike) · #2 23-04-2017, 10:06 AM

G'day Alex, I agree with everything you said about Isaac Newton, but naming the HST as such would cause a bit of confusion with the existing Isaac Newton Telescope, currently on the Canary Islands and formerly in the UK Royal Greenwich Observatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton_Telescope

deanm (Dean) · #3 23-04-2017, 10:16 AM

Newton was English, Hubble American.
Countries tend to name significant things after their own folk, not foreign nationals.
Can you think of anything in Oz named after someone other than an Aussie?
That's your answer, Alex!
Dean

xelasnave · #4 23-04-2017, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by okiscopey

G'day Alex, I agree with everything you said about Isaac Newton, but naming the HST as such would cause a bit of confusion with the existing Isaac Newton Telescope, currently on the Canary Islands and formerly in the UK Royal Greenwich Observatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton_Telescope

Thanks I feel better but I really want more.
Alex

xelasnave · #5 23-04-2017, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by deanm

Newton was English, Hubble American.
Countries tend to name significant things after their own folk, not foreign nationals.
Can you think of anything in Oz named after someone other than an Aussie?
That's your answer, Alex!
Dean

Thanks for trying to help Dean.
There would be a few things...how about Queen Victoria building?
Alex

deanm (Dean) · #6 23-04-2017, 10:34 AM

Good call Alex: but back in those days, Ozzies were English, and Victoria (like Liz today) was the 'Sovereign Queen of Australia' - we were just a dominion of The Empire.
We didn't become our own nation until 1901 (and even then, we were the 'Commonwealth of Australia').
Dean

glend (Glen) · #7 23-04-2017, 11:46 AM

The Yanks have a biscuit named the "Fig Newton". So obviously the name is copyright, trademarked, or a portion thereof. I wonder if anyone has taken "Fig Newtons" into space?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtons_(cookie)

sjastro · #8 23-04-2017, 12:07 PM

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And does not General Relativity use Newtons Gravity.
And on a side note it ticks me off when folk talking about GR say Newton was wrong and I have even seen a video where Newton is portrayed as a fool.

Very true Alex.
Here is what Einstein said about Newton's theory of gravity.

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No one must think that Newton’s great creation can be overthrown in any real sense by this [Theory of Relativity] or by any other theory. His clear and wide ideas will for ever retain their significance as the foundation on which our modern conceptions of physics have been built.

Here is a terrible thought.
With anti science governments in power and NASA's budget being slashed, NASA may need to rely more on private enterprise funding that will have a say in the naming rights for missions.

Imagine say in the year 2030 the "Microsoft Windows 700" space telescope is launched or the "Ronald McDonald Hamburger Plus" space probe to the dwarf planet Eris.

Shocking to contemplate.

OICURMT · #9 23-04-2017, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

The Hubble scope is after all a Newtonian telescope and although we here know who invented that scope many would not I expect.

Isn't the Hubble and R-C design? or am I mistaken?

Slawomir (Suavi) · #10 23-04-2017, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OICURMT

Isn't the Hubble and R-C design? or am I mistaken?

You are absolutely correct - Hubble is an RC telescope.

xelasnave · #11 23-04-2017, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by deanm

Good call Alex: but back in those days, Ozzies were English, and Victoria (like Liz today) was the 'Sovereign Queen of Australia' - we were just a dominion of The Empire.
We didn't become our own nation until 1901 (and even then, we were the 'Commonwealth of Australia').
Dean

I realised that after I posted I though it would at least give me some time to come up with something else.
I can't its the only thing I have so I must contend ...but she wasn't really Australian, forget that part of her job description was to rule Australia she was British and therefore my example is even though not correct absolutely valid.

Alex

xelasnave · #12 23-04-2017, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OICURMT

Isn't the Hubble and R-C design? or am I mistaken?

You are correct but that does not mean you are right.

Part of it is a Newtonian mirror.

Anyways what does this have to do with his introduction of the gold standard.

Alex

astroron (Ron) · #13 23-04-2017, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

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I realised that after I posted I though it would at least give me some time to come up with something else.
I can't its the only thing I have so I must contend ...but she wasn't really Australian, forget that part of her job description was to rule Australia she was British and therefore my example is even though not correct absolutely valid.

Alex

Good Try Alex

Cheers

PCH (Paul) · #14 23-04-2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by deanm

Newton was English, Hubble American.
Countries tend to name significant things after their own folk, not foreign nationals.
Can you think of anything in Oz named after someone other than an Aussie?
That's your answer, Alex!
Dean

Only Queensland, NSW and Tasmania off the top of my head lol

PCH (Paul) · #15 23-04-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by deanm

Good call Alex: but back in those days, Ozzies were English, and Victoria (like Liz today) was the 'Sovereign Queen of Australia' - we were just a dominion of The Empire.
We didn't become our own nation until 1901 (and even then, we were the 'Commonwealth of Australia').
Dean

I know it's confusing but commonwealth in this context doesn't refer to the British Commonwealth. For example, Massachusetts is still known as the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Commonwealth just refers to the collective ability to move forward as a nation.

Definition: an independent state or community, especially a democratic republic.

clive milne · #16 23-04-2017, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PCH

Only Queensland, NSW and Tasmania off the top of my head lol

Add to that; Perth, Darwin, Adelaide, Sydney, Melbourne, Hobart, Brisbane and Didjabringabeeralong...

Slawomir (Suavi) · #17 23-04-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

You are correct but that does not mean you are right.

Part of it is a Newtonian mirror.

Anyways what does this have to do with his introduction of the gold standard.

Alex

While it is true that Isaac Newton made a first reflecting telescope, I would disagree that Hubble is a Newtonian telescope. Isaac used a spherical mirror and a plane mirror in his design, while RC telescope utilises two hyperbolic mirrors. RC telescope was invented by George Ritchey and Henri Chretien and it is a different design altogether. Why not credit Egyptians for making the first mirrors?

xelasnave · #18 23-04-2017, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Slawomir

While it is true that Isaac Newton made a first reflecting telescope, I would disagree that Hubble is a Newtonian telescope. Isaac used a spherical mirror and a plane mirror in his design, while RC telescope utilises two hyperbolic mirrors. RC telescope was invented by George Ritchey and Henri Chretien and it is a different design altogether. Why not credit Egyptians for making the first mirrors?

Because they were not British and not Newton.

Well forget the telescope aspect let's focus upon gravity.

He invented gravity didn't he.
Alex

AndrewJ · #19 23-04-2017, 05:55 PM

Gday Alex

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He invented gravity didn't he.

Not sure he "invented" it, as it was around before he was ;-).
He merely came up with a mathematical model to describe it.
( and "merely" here is a slight understatement :-) )
Andrew

xelasnave · #20 23-04-2017, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewJ

Gday Alex

Not sure he "invented" it, as it was around before he was ;-).
He merely came up with a mathematical model to describe it.
( and "merely" here is a slight understatement :-) )
Andrew

Heck Andrew I can't take a trick.
Well if he didn't invent gravity who did?

Alex