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Old 24-06-2006, 09:49 PM
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How's the collimation?

Guys.

Took a lead from Dennis and decided to capture an avi of a star test with my 9.25 tonight to check my collimation.

If it looks a little "earthy" it's because I used antares to perform the test. Hence the browny/red colour.

I can see from the final registax image that the collimation is almost spot on. Could do with a very minor adjustment. Move central obstruction down and to the right, which would see the airy disc shift up and to the left to a perfectly centred position.

I think that's right?

This image was taken with the ToUcam in a 2.5x Powermate for approximately 1175x
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Old 24-06-2006, 10:01 PM
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Guys.

Took a lead from Dennis and decided to capture an avi of a star test with my 9.25 tonight to check my collimation.

If it looks a little "earthy" it's because I used antares to perform the test. Hence the browny/red colour.

I can see from the final registax image that the collimation is almost spot on. Could do with a very minor adjustment. Move central obstruction down and to the right, which would see the airy disc shift up and to the left to a perfectly centred position.

I think that's right?

This image was taken with the ToUcam in a 2.5x Powermate for approximately 1175x
looks pretty close to me Matt.At this mag you should be closer to focus to pick up collimation error better - that is smaller rings
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Old 24-06-2006, 10:05 PM
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by the way Matt I'd be calling the seeing as pretty good based on that image, I've taken avis of stars like this before and rarely do the rings show up so fine... maybe a 6/10 or better?
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Old 24-06-2006, 10:18 PM
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Had the focus further out to make the outside and inside rings line up with the CCDTools reticle rings.

It helped me judge the concentricity of the rings.

Don't know about the seeing being a 6. There's plenty of twinkle out there tonight. Jetstream looks fairly solid.

I think the registax and processing did a lot for the image

Think you might be exaggerating the seeing here coz the seeing at your place at the moment is so typically Canberran!!!
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Old 24-06-2006, 10:40 PM
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Ah! Thats close enough to perfect you wouldn't notice the difference in an image anyway!

Well done.
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Old 24-06-2006, 10:45 PM
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Thanks John.

That really makes me feel happy to hear that.

You know how collimation can become such a fixation and how you worry sometimes whether you've got it right and if it might be holding you back.

Having never owned an SCT up until Xmas last year I'm still finding my feet.

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Old 24-06-2006, 10:57 PM
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Yes Matt, I certainly know all about that fixation you mentioned. Me being me...I'm gunna make a point of purposely putting the SCT out of collimation & firing off a few to see the difference between good & bad collimation. I've seen the pictures on the internet; but I'm the type that needs to see it first hand. I want to know how far out it can be before it becomes an issue in high magnification photography.
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Old 24-06-2006, 11:02 PM
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Interesting John.

I'll be very keen to see your results.
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Old 24-06-2006, 11:04 PM
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That damn fixation gets me everytime actually!! Only last night when I dropped in the 2X barlow/diagonal/didgeredoo extension tube...& then had trouble getting focus....I stood back & thought "hmmmm I wonder if collimation ISSS really on the money!??"

I almost had to physically restrain myself from grabbing the damn screw driver & having a tweak! I KNOW it's on the money, damn it!

Crap seeing has a lot to answer for!
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Old 24-06-2006, 11:47 PM
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Rob has a point though. You need to take it closer to focus to really be able to tell if it's as good as possible.
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Old 24-06-2006, 11:56 PM
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Will do.

It's really not very far out of focus now though, and you lose rings the tighter your focus.

And what benefit is there of being a smaller diameter with more compressed rings and image?
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Old 25-06-2006, 12:27 AM
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http://legault.club.fr/collim.html

This will explain it better than I can.

My collimation is about the same as yours...yes, I use Antares a lot too. Does my collimation look ok ?
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Old 25-06-2006, 09:08 AM
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There's plenty of twinkle out there tonight. Jetstream looks fairly solid.

I think the registax and processing did a lot for the image

Think you might be exaggerating the seeing here coz the seeing at your place at the moment is so typically Canberran!!!
doh , that would be it
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Old 25-06-2006, 09:48 AM
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I've read that page many times.

It doesn't, however, make any mention of the diameter of the star test for an SCT ie how many rings you need for the test to be effective.

Obviously, those star test examples are "idealised" graphic demonstrations and not actual star tests (how they appear).

But I'll record another antares avi with the out of focus image a little closer to focus and more compressed to see what it reveals.

By the way, just in case I'm missing something, what am I looking for in your screen capture of processing jups?
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Old 25-06-2006, 10:25 AM
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Hi Matt,

Collimation like that image of Antares, I would say what ever you do


DO NOT TOUCH IT!

You will not see the difference in the focussed image. Its called splitting hairs, chasing rainbows. But if you gotta do it to put your mind at rest then because its a free world, go for it.

As a well known prophet (who lives down the road) once said. Seeing rules.
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Old 25-06-2006, 10:32 AM
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Indulge me Lester...

despite the sage wisdom of your beloved guru

Who by the way, shares a self-confessed fixation for collimation perfection!
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Old 25-06-2006, 10:32 AM
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Matt, collimation is a bit like seeing in some respects. By that I mean if the seeing is only mediocre then having your collimation out a bit isn't going to make a hell of a lot of difference. The better your seeing the better your collimation needs to be to make the most out of it. I agree with what has been said before that you need to use less out of focus to judge correctly, though from looking at your image personally I would be trying to tweek that as you said, to the right and down.

It's also very important to have the image/star as close to center of your chip when judging collimation as you can get it. Are you collimating with or without a diagonal?

I've found a pretty good estimate of accuracy of collimation is if the star is flaring out one side more than the other. If it is then you are not collimated yet. On nights of poor seeing I will sometimes use that flaring to judge collimation if I can't get rings. If I can get the flaring even around the star then I should be pretty close to collimated. Certainly good enough for the conditions. In fact in those sort of conditions I will probably be saying, "what the hell am I doing out here wasting my time "
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Old 25-06-2006, 10:37 AM
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Also do you suffer from a "Blue" rim on your images after you process, or when you're imaging is one side showing blue flaring? I've found that can also indicate a collimation issue, but not on all nights it seems to depend on the humidity at the time.
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Old 25-06-2006, 10:40 AM
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Cheers Paul

And no, I'm not using a diagonal when collimating. That's a lesson I learnt a looooooong time ago
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Old 25-06-2006, 10:40 AM
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The Jupiter/registax screen shot was just my way of saying "my collimation is NOT perfect, but I managed to capture this bloody shot, does it look ok to ya?"

Happy with Lesters last jupiter efforts? I collimated his scope too...well we both did really
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