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Old 29-04-2016, 09:04 PM
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I totally agree with Ian's post and if we could that would certainly be the approach to take, the big problem and main reason people don't do that is jobs or lack of them.
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Old 29-04-2016, 09:16 PM
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I grew up in Orbost and left for education and job opportunities and I think many teenagers do the same. I wouldn't shift back to a small town because of the lack of opportunity for my kids.
At the same time I despise city traffic and over crowding.
I think regional cetres offer a good compromise between the two.
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Old 29-04-2016, 10:00 PM
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Thankfully, my suburb Para Hills has been catching up and sold prices are where I think they should be.

A house across the road, very similar style and condition to mine, up for $285K. This surprised me so I went to the open inspection and the agent said offers of $260 been made. I was expecting mine to be $200K, so very happy about this listing as planning to sell in a year.

In many parts of Para Hills there are tree lined gullies behind our properties (we are situated above the Adelaide Plains with lots of parallel gullies) and views to the coast.

So looking good for sellers. Agent also said turn arounds of 4 weeks average.
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Old 29-04-2016, 10:38 PM
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Well, this is an interesting topic. I'll do my best not to make this a rant, but will probably be unsuccessful.

Here in Mackay, we are experiencing a definite bursting of the bubble. The banks probably won't talk about it openly, but the end of the mining boom has left many properties worth less than the amount that the owners owe on them. Big incentive for the owners to declare bankruptcy and leave the bank with the fallout. Moranbah? We won't talk about that.

Can't help thinking that we are seeing the tip of an Australian iceberg similar to that which the rest of the world hit 8 or 10 years ago. Except that in our case, capital city prices are being held up for now by foreign buyers and low interest rates. If foreign cash dries up or domestic interest rates increase, look out below...

As a nation, we have squandered the spoils of the mining boom on extravagant spending at the expense of the future. By now, we could have been in a position to have weathered any economic downturn for quite a few years, but we find ourselves in a situation of deficit spending with little savings to back up our (bad spending) habits.

Both major parties point to each other as the cause of our situation, but in a democracy, we get the government we deserve. If the nation as a whole was looking to live within our means, the government would respond accordingly. We have ourselves to blame, and I am afraid we are going to learn the same lessons as Japan, the US and Europe, even though we have been warned by their experience. The greatest part of Australian debt is private, not government debt. However, another financial crisis could easily transfer the private debt to government via a bank bailout. And who is the government? We are a democracy, so it is you and me, and we will have to pay for it.

We were cushioned from the worst effects of the GFC by stimulus from China, which appears at least partially to be continuing, but distortions in the Chinese economy are surfacing, and the opaqueness of the Chinese situation makes the outlook uncertain. Continuing money printing in Japan and Europe is keeping the world economy from collapsing, but cannot continue forever. The world has to face up to a mountain of debt, and try to work out who is going to pay for it. Unfortunately for anyone who has saved money, a government which is facing a crisis has only one place to plunder. That is, from people who are not in debt. Take a look at what happened in Cyprus for an example of a "bail in" rather than a "bail out".

Think about the domino effect of a real crisis in the Australian real estate market:

Real estate market crashes (caused by increased interest rates or exodus of foreign buyers).
Home owners default on their loans.
Bad loans put banks in crisis.
Depositors look to extract deposits from banks en masse.
Banks in crisis cause government to bail out banks.
Government in crisis looks to savers (i.e those with money in the bank or superannuation) for cash to "save the nation".

So effectively, anyone with money in the bank bails out the bank's debtors.
Still think that money in the bank is as "safe as houses"? Maybe it is, but only because houses aren't safe either.

"That can't happen here", you say. Well, that is what they said in Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Greece etc in 2006/7. The governments of those countries may not have overtly stolen their citizen's (or foreigner's) cash, but they are trying their hardest to make it worthless by printing money to inflate the debt away. Either way, savers suffer.

To date, Australian governments have relied on the Reserve Bank to keep the situation stable. But the RBA is in a cleft stick. Lowering interest rates means exacerbating the housing bubble. Raising rates deflates the bubble, but causes the Australian dollar to increase in value making our industries uncompetitive with the rest of the world. The only other alternative would be to restrict lending for housing in some way, but this is unlikely to be electorally unpalatable.

So i'm afraid that there isn't a good solution to our situation, but to buckle up, enjoy the ride, and use our view of the universe to realise that this is only "small stuff".

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Old 29-04-2016, 10:56 PM
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Here in Newcastle prices have risen over the last 2 yrs theres nothing you can buy under $400,000 most of the older houses are being brought up and townhouses by the ton are going up everywhere .just west of me there are new estates going in but all the new blocks are small a large house just fits on and not much yard ,but go further west from here out towards the mines area just hr from me properties not so old you can pick up places out there on large blocks of land massive houses for less than you pay to build them.miners where spending up big time out that way now its not so good.
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Old 30-04-2016, 09:42 AM
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At least we should be thankful the mortgage rates are not up around the 18% some of us had to suffer in the 80's.
If that ever came back I think you'd see a lot of pain and suffering from the X generation......
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Old 30-04-2016, 10:26 AM
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At least we should be thankful the mortgage rates are not up around the 18% some of us had to suffer in the 80's.
If that ever came back I think you'd see a lot of pain and suffering from the X generation......
Yes and it was not easy to get a loan.
I worked in a solicitors office doing mainly conveyancing and it was tuff.

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Old 30-04-2016, 10:51 AM
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When the AI's start to nibble away at all those "good jobs" the whole system is gonna go Karratha.

I think some savers and retirees wouldn't mind 18% interest rates. Back then a 3 and 1 first home in Perth was around 55-70k and you could get a good income stream from a couple hundred grand in the bank.
oh and education was free back then too.

Yeah its way better now
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Old 30-04-2016, 11:04 AM
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Low interest rates are preferred by borrowers, high rates are preferred by savers, somewhere in the middle is a rate that's healthy for the economy as a whole.
Around 8% provides an income for retirees and puts a cap on house prices such that home borrowers don't end up with enormous loans.
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Old 30-04-2016, 02:27 PM
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Hey Meru I've got a job for ya!


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I'm not sure it is a bubble. There are few large cities (3+ million people) in the western world where you can get a block of land in the inner suburbs for under $1M. There will always people who are catch the train past these places every day, and want to move closer to the city.

The one part of it that I can see going south is the glut of shoddily built blocks of flats. Exorbitant prices are asked for tiny flats.
I can't see the market maintaining that a 2 bedroom flat is worth $500k, where a 3 bedroom house on 700m2 the same distance from the city goes for $1M.
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Old 03-05-2016, 01:57 PM
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Last nights 4 corners covers this topic. Check it out on iView.

The guts of it shows the market is way over valued, yearly income to house price is around 12X in the southern capitals, (Ireland popped at 8X and the US at 5X), about 50% of all sales are to negative gearing investors and banks are falsifying loan applications to make them look better. POP.
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Old 03-05-2016, 02:23 PM
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Without going into specific numbers, I earn around the 100K mark, and every major bank was willing to lend me over 900K, only requiring 10% deposit. After tax and living expenses I don't see how I would be able to pay that back.
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Old 04-05-2016, 11:41 AM
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Basically no bubbles at all. Immigration department does not stop migrants from China, I have specifically say China. They are rich (no matter where did their money came from...corruption, business etc), especially the "children" of those "rich" Chinese Government officials they need to send their children overseas for political insurance. More and more houses will be needed, old or new. They do care the prices.
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Old 04-05-2016, 03:32 PM
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we live in Sydney and are looking to sell to make a move to Tasmania so we have had our house valued recently and when she gave us the figure i nearly passed out ,it was valued at nearly 7 times what we paid for it 20yrs ago so it looks like retirement is coming earlier than i thought ,you can buy in Tassie a similar home for a third of the price





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What is the real estate market doing in your area.

A friend of mine was showing me a list of properties that had sold near him in Ryde.

That market seems to have gone mad with ordinary home selling well past the million dollar mark.

I noticed a semi on a main road sell at auction and having been a real estate agent selling in that area can say that once upon a time that property would have been on the books for months. Now no problem.

Have you noticed anything like this.

The prices seem beyond belief.

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Old 04-05-2016, 04:11 PM
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we live in Sydney and are looking to sell to make a move to Tasmania so we have had our house valued recently and when she gave us the figure i nearly passed out ,it was valued at nearly 7 times what we paid for it 20yrs ago so it looks like retirement is coming earlier than i thought ,you can buy in Tassie a similar home for a third of the price
May as well sell while prices are in the twilight zone - main house in Tasssie, winter house Qld or Fiji?
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Old 04-05-2016, 05:20 PM
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This was a great show... sadly true.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stori...02/4451883.htm

If you missed it... http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/fou.../NC1604H014S00

The only way my kids are going to afford housing is to move back to the USA...

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Old 04-05-2016, 09:16 PM
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we live in Sydney and are looking to sell to make a move to Tasmania so we have had our house valued recently and when she gave us the figure i nearly passed out ,it was valued at nearly 7 times what we paid for it 20yrs ago so it looks like retirement is coming earlier than i thought ,you can buy in Tassie a similar home for a third of the price
Before you get too excited may I suggest be careful taking an agents appraisal. Some are incompetent, some lie and some are desparate for a listing and pick a happy figure out of thin air.
I was in the business and say I am not being dramatic.
If you want to go to Tassie try and buy before you sell, I mean years before.
Never buy expecting the proceeds of the sale will cover the purchase.
I have witnessed many disasters where folk have purchased and I have not been able to sell their old home for what they expected or indeed get it sold in time forcing them into bridging finance.
However if you can buy a house in addition to your home and rent it until you need it you can enjoy the further(hopefully) capital gain on your Sydney home.
While renting the new place any improvements or refurbishement may be tax deductible.. And dont forget you can take advantage of negative gearing opportunity.

Further make sure things are as cheap as you expect. I had a recent purchase and had to go up 100k on where I thought the market was... The market was moving and I could not see it... And given my experience you would think I should have seen it moving.
When in the business prices would jump 25% within a matter of weeks and we would not see it until it was over.
Once prices were around $150k. Things began to move and we just thought we were selling well. We listed one for auction thinking it would stop in its tracks at$155k but at the auction 6 weeks later it sold $237,500... As I said it jumped so fast... It was after this that we started to notice it was happening all over.
I predict next spring another take off... Maybe.. But things used to go slack during winter, as people prepare to sell in spring, and we get a fall of in supply. Demand builds up.
Also up to elections once saw a fall off in listings.. So maybe after elections moving into spring things could jump again.
I have been in Sydney looking after my father where we shop we are the last Australians.
It is so busy money money money.
I was at the bank today, next to me change this 10k of fifties to 100 s, then next banked 5k, next 10k of 20s to 100 s. The other day sitting next to me lady pulled out 20 k (by my eye which is good with cash) and another guy banking 5k cash.
Pity my legs are crook.
My point is there is a lot going on that tells me we may see things hot up more.
I have always said it is the top of the market that pulls the bottom up. Not the way we would like it but thats my observation.
Even the place I grabbed recently since getting it I cant see anything as good and listings are drying up such that I recon I could relist in spring up 100k...not that I will cause I would have to find something no longer available at the price.
I showed the manager photos of the property her eyes lit up when I told her the price and the number of acres... Could I have started them buying in this area?

I heard about 13 or 14 owners selling for high rise somewhere here in Sydney bht did not take notice to give you details but they got 7 mill each.

All I am saying the bubble thing is always with us but its different to anything I have seen and my experience covers fifty years.

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Old 05-05-2016, 10:36 AM
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All I am saying the bubble thing is always with us but its different to anything I have seen and my experience covers fifty years.
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It does look and feel different this time and I think the reason behind that is the degree to which governments and central banks of the developed world have stimulated their economies. Recessions have been banned for the last few decades with governments favouring soaring debt levels as the way to prosperity. I don't know how long they can keep it up but history suggests we face tough times down the road. All that debt has to be repaid, defaulted on or inflated away.
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Old 05-05-2016, 01:00 PM
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It is a massive juggling act with many balls in the air and it does not seem to be a worry if a ball here or there drops.

I do think the real threat could be any hold up in supply...food oil even internet.

Inflation is our friend without it the system would fail.

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