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Old 24-04-2015, 07:50 AM
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Friday quiz

I saw a rather neat photo the other day and I thought I'd share it. And set the explanation as a little quiz!

The photo shows a beaker of water with two ice cubes in it. One is floating at the surface, just as expected. The other, however, has sunk to the bottom. It isn't an optical illusion. There isn't a lead sinker in the second cube. Nor is there any other trickery. The explanation relies on science. What is going on?

BTW There are a few of you out there who will solve this in a millisecond, .... or bloody well should!! How about letting those who have to get the thinking caps on have their bit of fun?
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Old 24-04-2015, 09:11 AM
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Spoiler alert:
The sinking cube is made of salty or sugary water?
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Old 24-04-2015, 10:35 AM
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Aha,

But OK, I'm not saying

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Old 24-04-2015, 12:03 PM
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Interesting,
Heavy ice? LOL
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Old 24-04-2015, 12:08 PM
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Interesting,
Heavy ice? LOL
Hmmmm.
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Old 24-04-2015, 12:18 PM
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How about ... 1 block of ice is made from ' distilled ' water ( like rain water )...is the one that floats...

and ... the one on the bottom is made of ordinary tap water ... so it would have ' heavy metals ' in it...causing it to drop to the bottom.

That's my educated guess ..... do I go to the top of the Class ...

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Old 24-04-2015, 12:28 PM
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Marty and Col are on the right track - but no cigar.

Col, ice made from ordinary tap water floats in water (and whisky ).
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Old 24-04-2015, 12:32 PM
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One is made from heavy water

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Old 24-04-2015, 12:38 PM
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Water ice and Dry ice? (Carbon Dioxide)
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Old 24-04-2015, 01:56 PM
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One is made from heavy water

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Is the correct answer. Congratulations, I owe you a Mars bar.

Yes, the normal ice cube is H2O and the other is D2O. Normal water has an atomic weight of 18 (16+1+1) but D20 has an atomic weight of 20 (16+2+2). Since both have the same number of molecules per mL the 'isotopically heavy' ice is also actually physically heavier. [I am assuming that the oxygen-16 : oxygen-18 ratio is normal but if it is also enriched then the ice would be even heavier.]

The photo was submitted on a mailing list in response to an request for a photo which demonstrates stable isotopes. There is another member of IIS who also measures stable-isotope ratios for a living so for him this would have been trivial and I think some others may also have a professional reason to understand this; they were the people who I wanted to stay mum.

Thanks to all who gave it a shot.
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I wondered about that but don't know enough about heavy water without looking it up.

I was not sure on the dry ice (I know it does not float in water, been there done that for my 6YO when using it to strip sound deadening form a car) as I could not pick up from the image if there were CO2 bubbles coming from it.

Something learned on a Friday!
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Some other stuff:

Heavy water is poisonous when taken in large quantities, but not in a cupful.

Think how our world would be constructed if ordinary ice sank. This is another facet of the Goldilocks Enigma - "Why is the Universe so right (locally) for us to be here?"

I'm a devotee of that school which says we shouldn't be all surprised that it is, because if it was not, we would not be here to wonder at it. The Cosmos was first, we were second by a long way.

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Heavy water is poisonous when taken in large quantities, but not in a cupful.
And ultra-pure water is also bad for you if you drink too much. I think it washes electrolytes from your system. I'm not sure why heavy water would be poisonous. Presumably the slightly greater bond-energy of heavy water impedes or facilitates a biochemical pathway.
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Old 24-04-2015, 03:24 PM
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That's a cool experiment, now where do you buy heavy water from?
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Marty and Col are on the right track - but no cigar.

Col, ice made from ordinary tap water floats in water (and whisky ).

What do you mean "no cigar"? Heavy ice is frozen heavy water. I know that it sinks in tap water. I stated "heavy ice" so as not to actually give it away.
Deuterium oxide. D2O as opposed to H2O

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What do you mean "no cigar"? Heavy ice is frozen heavy water. I know that it sinks in tap water. I stated "heavy ice" so as not to actually give it away.
Deuterium oxide. D2O as opposed to H2O

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It worked - you fooled me. I think the 'LOL' threw me. Sorry. Have a cigar!
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Old 24-04-2015, 04:27 PM
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Where to buy is not hard, only $700 per liter

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/151882?lang=enŽion=AU

Don't drink too much.

We have some of this around for NMR work, doesn't get used much.

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Old 24-04-2015, 04:55 PM
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Is the correct answer. Congratulations,
Sorry about that, i was semi joking ( leveraging off the heavy ice comment )
Being a Mech engineer, i knew they had to be of different densities, but didnt know you could actually buy "heavy water".

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"Where to buy is not hard, only $700 per liter"

The kids can look at the picture
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Old 25-04-2015, 12:05 PM
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Thanks David,

I disguised it too well I suppose. It was meant not to give it away and I even fooled you. My Bad. LOL

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