A great day for minorities

[csb (Craig)]

The number of actual deaths would be higher but this is because suicide by gun has a very high success rate. And suicide by other forms would be lower due to guns being preferred by some.

[csb (Craig)]

So, guns are not a cause of suicide. And gun availability or control does not markedly affect suicide rates.However constant discrimination can move an individual to such a drastic act.

[blink138 (Pat)]

Originally Posted by csb

So, guns are not a cause of suicide. But constant discrimination can move an individual to such a drastic. act.

should there be a question mark or an exclamation mark after your first sentence craig?.............. i would like to know as every body else seems to maybe have the wrong end of just about everything you have posted thus far, and perhaps it may be just your keyboard grammar!
p.s i know i do not use capital letters correctly in any of my posts!
p.p.s if you are serious about your above comments................ well i have a lot more to say!!
pat

[sheeny (Al)]

Originally Posted by csb

The number of actual deaths would be higher but this is because suicide by gun has a very high success rate. And suicide by other forms would be lower due to guns being preferred by some.

Based on my experience of 20 years in rescue in a country town, I question that. You may think so, as all those I attended did, but I don't agree. You don't need to know the details so I won't go into them. It's not appropriate here.

Al.

[csb (Craig)]

[Original post deleted with apologies - too embarrassing]

[marki]

ICPC

[csb (Craig)]

[Original post deleted with apologies - too embarrassing]

[MortonH]

Don't worry, Craig. It's all good.

Here. Have a beer!

[csb (Craig)]

Cheers, MortonH.

[xelasnave]

We each have our personal reality and you work with what you have.
I did not notice any problems so why don't you share my reality for a while.
I hope I haven't offended you in any way.

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

We each have our personal reality and you work with what you have.
I did not notice any problems so why don't you share my reality for a while.
I hope I haven't offended you in any way.

One of the great things about IIS is being able to sample other people's reality

[xelasnave]

The main reason I post is so everyone will know there are actually people like me out there.
Craig altered his last post but I read it and offerred comment as he invited.
I hope all is well as it always is here on iceinspace

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

Goodness me, you really seem to have a problem with my comment.
I really can't add anything about my reason for making it, not even a particular thought about your previous posts.

As a member of a particularly small minority that has been villified quite enough thank you very much, I'm unlikely to try to hurt someone else, whether they have hurt me or not.

[csb (Craig)]

So good evening, all is well.

Thankyou to everyone who did not enter into the discussion I proposed. Sorry.

Thanks xelasnave. Amazing how your comments can carry that same sense of ease and tranquil akin to the "awesomeness of it all" feeling I have when viewing the night sky through the telescope.

While checking for discussions and reading the posted comments, I realised the purposelessness of what I was inviting. And the futileness. And embarrassment.

Anyway, I will sleep well tonight. Thankyou for the friendliness that this site is surely known for. Good night.

PS Marki, what does ICPC mean?

[marki]

Originally Posted by csb

PS Marki, what does ICPC mean?

Glad you asked, its just a silly acronym for Political correctness which can best be defined as a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of poo by the clean end."

And here is another;

noun
1. Bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.


Now there wouldn't be any bigots around here in this enlightened group surely, especially no one who would cast such a slur upon others attempting to offer a different point of view. Hmmm perhaps a case of pot kettle black? I will be back in 12 months to read how you all got on .

[csb (Craig)]

[Original post deleted with apologies- too embarrassing]

[rat156]

Originally Posted by marki

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Now there wouldn't be any bigots around here in this enlightened group surely, especially no one who would cast such a slur upon others attempting to offer a different point of view. Hmmm perhaps a case of pot kettle black? I will be back in 12 months to read how you all got on .

As it was me that first used the term bigot in this thread I feel that the situation should be clarified. It was used with reference to a couple of opinions expressed which were of the form "Gay couples shouldn't be allowed to have children, because, for no other reason than they are Gay".

I found this opinion offensive, and, IMHO (and others) it was a display of bigotry. I'm not sure how pointing out that I saw the opinion expressed offensive should count as hypocrisy (pots and kettles comments), at no stage did I try to stop the poster from expressing their views, I merely pointed out that they were unacceptable to many people on the forum and would be challenged.

At no stage did I used the term to describe Craig's comments, in fact I only once replied to a post from Craig, and that was with pictures of guys in kilts and makeup from Braveheart, I'm sure no-one took it seriously.

Once the subject shifted towards the gun debate I turned off. I have little interest in the topic.

Cheers
Stuart

[xelasnave]

Even if one thinks someone deserved to be called a negative name perhaps avoiding doing so is a better option.
Avoid taking or giving offence.
Further there is little to be gained arguing against anothers belief.
All the facts and logic which one presents against a belief will be ignored and so folk become frustrated and frustration leads to personal attack.

And Craig look out thru your scope and you will perhaps agree...we are so insignificant should we really bother letting anything upset our day.

Let's move on.

[chiaroscuro (Luke)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Even if one thinks someone deserved to be called a negative name perhaps avoiding doing so is a better option.
Avoid taking or giving offence.
Further there is little to be gained arguing against anothers belief.
All the facts and logic which one presents against a belief will be ignored and so folk become frustrated and frustration leads to personal attack.

And Craig look out thru your scope and you will perhaps agree...we are so insignificant should we really bother letting anything upset our day.

Let's move on.

I have to disagree on one point - its vital that people express a well-thought out opinion which doesn't resort to ad hominem attacks. Challenging others beliefs is the only way that we can progress - otherwise the majority would still believe in witch-burning, that the earth is the centre of the universe, and that homosexuals aren't worthy of equal treatment in society.
Thats why free speech (without bigotry) should be defended vigorously. Just because many people aren't capable of keeping arguments civilised, doesn't mean we shouldn't still have those arguments.

[torana68 (Roger)]

Originally Posted by MortonH

The number of people contemplating suicide also rose, and continues to do so. If guns were freely available the number of actual deaths would be higher.

Your forgetting a few things there, people with mental illness issues won't get a licence for one , or do you mean "if there was no licencing requirements"?. If you could buy a rifle at Coles that could be true but that will never be the case. People who are desperate enough to end their life will do it by one means or another. My ex wife tried electrocution gassing and drugs, she also threatened to crash the family car. What do you propose to remove from society from that list?