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20-03-2014, 02:43 PM
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David, Now you have the exact feeling I had when I found out about the Grain Bunker proposed next to my Dark sky site, Big lights for the B-doubles. Thank god it's appears to have been scuttled.
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20-03-2014, 02:54 PM
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Ouch!
It may not be fatal, but certainly not good.
(I have street lights I can't get away from - one only 3 metres from my side fence that overlooks where I setup in the yard, the other about 30 metres away on a corner - both fully illuminate the area where I can get a reasonable view of the sky).
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20-03-2014, 03:21 PM
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 I'm so so sorry Dave. Words cannot express the amount of sympathy that I'm feeling for you right now.
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20-03-2014, 03:44 PM
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You could sell & move. Having Bunnings across the road would be a plus to many a handyman. It could work in your favor & you could have a bigger house in a dark sky site...Be positive.
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20-03-2014, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee
So I guess we'll be seeing a lot more solar imaging now Dave?? sorry - bad joke.... 
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yes sadly
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20-03-2014, 03:53 PM
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Highest Observatory in Oz
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What are the chances those cut offs you ahve requetsde will actually be installed and what will they do to the ambient light?
You must be a little gutted mate
I have no answer...you are in the very best position of anyone to have any hope at all in doing anything to improve the situation, so good luck mate.
Mike
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20-03-2014, 04:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strongmanmike
What are the chances those cut offs you ahve requetsde will actually be installed and what will they do to the ambient light?
You must be a little gutted mate
I have no answer...you are in the very best position of anyone to have any hope at all in doing anything to improve the situation, so good luck mate.
Mike
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not a hope in the world - sinker and SS 
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20-03-2014, 04:37 PM
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That's bad news, Dave. I wish I could contribute something, but Lee's already made a quip about solar imaging...
Are they controlled by light sensors? Maybe strategically placed lasers could fool 'em...   . Just don't use green ones... people can see where they come from  . Welcome to Houghy's Death Star!
Al.
Last edited by sheeny; 20-03-2014 at 04:39 PM.
Reason: typo
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20-03-2014, 05:18 PM
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Lights
When I moved into my place I had a light in the street at the front of the house but the backyard was reasonably dark. 12 months later they put a light in the street running beside the property not more than three metres from my side fence. I don't need lights in my backyard any more. Really p....d off!!
There was nothing I could do. Everyone I complained to cited "security" and "safety" and basically said suck it up or move.
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20-03-2014, 05:38 PM
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not good at all Dave ....know how you feel..
I have a ' white light ' outside my place that ' bathes ' the entire cul-de-sac ....lights up the whole joint.
I have to go into my ' back yard ' to get away from it.
Luckily....this ' white light ' tends to spread ' downwards ' ... not upwards...
Feel for you Dave 
Flash.....
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20-03-2014, 06:40 PM
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Damn that sucks, sorry David!
I know exactly how you feel.
About 5 years ago my backyard was blackness. The old-school low wattage metal halide streetlights were on the opposite side of the road and spaced around 50M apart. Not one was visible from my yard.
Then came the underground power project.
The old wooden powerpoles with lights were dropped, and the new high brightness sodium-vapour lights went in, but, much higher off the ground, twice as many as before and on BOTH sides of the road!!
I now have three shining directly into my yard, it's like daylight out there!
The only saving grace I had was that one of them, the closest and therefore most troublesome, was faulty and after running for only a couple of hours would shut itself off. Probably a temperature thing.
Sadly that only lasted a few months before, presumably, one of the neighbours thought they were doing good and reported it.
I miss the old days, when streetlights were spaced widely apart, they were low wattage, and they were turned off at midnight!
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20-03-2014, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MrB
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I miss the old days, when streetlights were spaced widely apart, they were low wattage, and they were turned off at midnight!
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yes indeed, we dont need streetlighting
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21-03-2014, 01:38 PM
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What's worse, they make you pay for all this nonsense through your rates.
The problem is that energy in general is still dirt cheap. Some may disagree, but you can tell it's too cheap, because we can afford to ship interchangeable products half way round the world, use cars with 1 person in them to make most (even short) trips, build stadium-sized shopping complexes (that are somehow never within walking distance) to replace the shop across the road, plan towns around cars rather than people, put houses on arable land, not harvest the collossal amounts of solar power baking Australia or, for that matter, create huge light domes that nobody needs even over small towns. Talking about the average person/community here of course. Sad really.
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21-03-2014, 02:32 PM
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That's a real bugger Dave, I feel sorry for you and others that have to go through this type of scenario.
I hope you are able to find a solution to the problem.
This type of problem makes me really appreciate living in a rural dark sky zone.
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21-03-2014, 02:37 PM
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LOL and what d oyou think my chances are having the area declaired wihtin a astronomical observatory zone.....
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22-03-2014, 12:55 AM
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That is a real bugger, Dave  
I'd fight it tooth and nail but like you said, the position you're in
for work hasn't even been handy anyway
My backyard at the moment is floodlit with nearby night roadworks.
It's an increasing trend lately....
At least my situation is temporary, the roadworks are for another
few weeks. Trouble is, Feb and March are usually the best seeing!
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22-03-2014, 01:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kinetic
That is a real bugger, Dave  
I'd fight it tooth and nail but like you said, the position you're in
for work hasn't even been handy anyway
My backyard at the moment is floodlit with nearby night roadworks.
It's an increasing trend lately....
At least my situation is temporary, the roadworks are for another
few weeks. Trouble is, Feb and March are usually the best seeing!
Here's my backyard tonight , facing west.
This is a 20 sec exposure, albeit full moon night, but you can see
the contribution from the roadworks floodlights about 250m away.
The pink light coming from the dome is the dome red nightlights.
I was taking darks and doing a Proxima Cent set tonight.
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I can see the tree tops litup - for me they will light up the whole observatory - there I no escaping it
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22-03-2014, 01:14 PM
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I moaned about my 6 visible Na Vapour streetlamps, plus the 2 mercury vapour ones for a long while where I lived previously. I moved to the courtyard, and it helped a lot, but not enough.
Then we recently moved house into a 3 story condo, with a decent sized back yard. I though I would be STUFFED with all the Na vapour lamps around, but the building shields it all. It is actually DARKER in my back yard than were I was before, despite being nearer the "CBD". At night, I look out my 3rd floor window and watch the moon, Crux, and later Venus.
I feel for you. It's a nightmare. ALL the *****ing I did to the local council fell on deaf ears, but they did change every second streetlight to light activated (car headlight activated). Didn't help much. Honestly, after 10pm where we were, there was a car every 30 minutes, NO one walking, and you could hear the cows. Wasted resources, as only council knows how to do.
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22-03-2014, 01:23 PM
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OH that absolutely positively SUCKS!
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22-03-2014, 03:50 PM
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Not good.
Approach council,and make a booking to have a meeting with Mayor,make sure its the mayor.Talk to him about the issues it will cause you.But do not over do the astro photography bit-as it will go over his head.Just very briefly mention it.Then go on to how you have various small groups visit at times to view certain star clusters and planets etc etc,which are of religious significance to various religious beliefs',and that such light pollution will upset this.
Its no use talking to them about how it will ruin your astro photography-you will get no where.But talking about how a minority of religious people will be disadvantaged,will get them listing-we live in a country where minority rules,and if there is a hint some small religious group will be upset,you will get the councils' ear.You need to think from outside the square on this-yes I find all that astrology/wierd religion bit -rather odd,but ride that horse,and at least you might have a chance-going to council and saying this will ruin my images of M33,will have no affect.
Sorry to hear this,but hope you can get some sort of positive progress.
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