Thanks for the nice feedback fellas glad it was worth a look
As for the faint Jet like feature, it is hard to confirm whether it is an actual "jet" say like these brighter ones emanating from NGC 1097 but the "feature" is indeed real as you can see from THIS Deep UK Schmidt comparison I have compiled. I have presented it quite small to simulate having the images farther from you on the screen and this makes the faint features more obvious, I also further lifted the contrast in the UK Schmidt image as the version I accessed was not contrasty enough to really show the feature well. I think the AG12 has gone deeper actually, at least in extended diffuse features anyway..? I would imagine such a feature is down around 28mag/squ arc sec?
The 48" UK Schmidt image was nearly 6hrs of exposure and composed from 5 emulsion plates and then amplified and contrast enhanced by David Malin.
Now under dark skies and especially with the new SX gear, this AG12 scope keeps amazing me with its capabilities
Lewis, that object could be a PN I guess but it's more likely a distant galaxy association I'd recon
DaveU, thanks for that link, I am sure there is a relationship then
Mike
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As for the faint Jet like feature, it is hard to confirm whether it is an actual "jet" say like these brighter ones emanating from NGC 1097 but the "feature" is indeed real as you can see from THIS Deep UK Schmidt comparison I have compiled. I have presented it quite small to simulate having the images farther from you on the screen and this makes the faint features more obvious, I also further lifted the contrast in the UK Schmidt image as the version I accessed was not contrasty enough to really show the feature well. I think the AG12 has gone deeper actually, at least in extended diffuse features anyway..? I would imagine such a feature is down around 28mag/squ arc sec?
If that's a jet, then I have some good news - I see about five more!
I've got an Scopa app from "What Wapp" on my Samsung devices which I play all the time. It might give you something to pass the time of night whilst imaging the galaxies. Pavrotti, a glass of red and a game of Scopa finished off with an incredible image of a galaxy... what a night!
Impressive as always, Great gear and technique Mike, always in da fast lane eh, & why not
Cheers Bob, the fast lane is the good lane
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If that's a jet, then I have some good news - I see about five more!
On ya Dave yes the top side of the galaxy in that crop is certainly populated by several faint furry spikey type features huh? The lower side in contrast is rather devoid of them. It must be real as they are clear in both images and one was taken with a digital CCD the other photographic emulsion perhaps 30 odd years apart?
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I've got an Scopa app from "What Wapp" on my Samsung devices which I play all the time. It might give you something to pass the time of night whilst imaging the galaxies. Pavrotti, a glass of red and a game of Scopa finished off with an incredible image of a galaxy... what a night!
Funny you should say that Muzza..the other night we had been at the neighbours for a soiree and we came home around 10.30pm and while I imaged my wife entertained some people who had tagged along, they sat outside the dome with various alcoholic beverages and a guitar...until the women in the group (typical) got too cold and wanted to go inside ...actually I was ok with that as pissed people carrying drinks and dark domes plus expensive imaging equipment don't mix Was good fun though - while image runs were set in motion, I was able to venture back inside and partake in the slowly increasing inebriation, loud music and crazy discussions all while imaging distant parts of the Universe
Sorry Mike, I think it's a case of the Emporer and his new clothes, as to be perfectly frank I can't see the "jet" in the UK Schmidt image. In your image I see a whole set of Jets and blodges but it reminds me of the ability of the brain to interpolate data to see a pattern that isn't there.
Maybe a deeper image would convince me of the jets but it's still a good image of the galaxy.
Allan
Sorry Mike, I think it's a case of the Emporer and his new clothes, as to be perfectly frank I can't see the "jet" in the UK Schmidt image. In your image I see a whole set of Jets and blodges but it reminds me of the ability of the brain to interpolate data to see a pattern that isn't there.
Maybe a deeper image would convince me of the jets but it's still a good image of the galaxy.
Allan
Yeah I agree, looks like a case of averted imagination to me.
Sorry Mike, I think it's a case of the Emporer and his new clothes, as to be perfectly frank I can't see the "jet" in the UK Schmidt image. In your image I see a whole set of Jets and blodges but it reminds me of the ability of the brain to interpolate data to see a pattern that isn't there.
Maybe a deeper image would convince me of the jets but it's still a good image of the galaxy.
Allan
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Yeah I agree, looks like a case of averted imagination to me.
Had a look around and came across this Subaru-ESO image of NGC1232 and also one from the ARP gallery of images. Neither show a jet and in particular the ARP image is telling as he was always searching for loops and connections between different galaxies etc. But nothing commented on.
The Subaru and ESO image shows a plethora of small galaxies in the background as well as material (Gas, Stars?) surrounding it but no hint of a jet.
Hope this is of some help.
Allan
Had a look around and came across this Subaru-ESO image of NGC1232 and also one from the ARP gallery of images. Neither show a jet and in particular the ARP image is telling as he was always searching for loops and connections between different galaxies etc. But nothing commented on.
The Subaru and ESO image shows a plethora of small galaxies in the background as well as material (Gas, Stars?) surrounding it but no hint of a jet.
Hope this is of some help.
Allan
Nice of you to comment on an image of mine Allan... after a long break, much appreciated
Interesting indeed...I 100% see a strong similarity in the deep high contrast comparison I have displayed ...perhaps they are indeed deeper due to greater stretching? In my mind it is impossible for the UK Schmidt Image to be so similar to mine if those features aren't real..Hmmm?
I find it interesting that ARP 77 was noticed by Arp to have the four optical jets in the mid 1970's from wide field images. This I would have imagined that he and others would have inspected Arp41 (NGC1232) and others for any other peculiarities between it's 1966 classification and now. Maybe your notice of a jet will be an amateur first Mike but it would need verification.
And sorry I just do not see any jet in the UK Schmidt image the rest is similar as you stated.
Just an old sceptic.
Allan
Mike I also fail to see any jet in your comparison images,I even used a magnifying glass and could not see anything.
Also I think your arrows point to two different places.
You must have a fantastic screen as I could see nothing in those two images.
In your original negative image I could see some lines but to me looked like some artifact.
They don't to me show up in your colour images at all to me.
There has been no sign of a jet in any image of this galaxy I have seen.
Have you been in touch with any of the AAT astronomers on this.
Great image all the same.
Cheers
Maybe your notice of a jet will be an amateur first Mike but it would need verification.
Of course.
I simply noticed it in the colour version and thought hmmm? what is that?then stretched the Luminance only and there it was, only then did I look at the UK Schmidt image and stretch it and in my opinion saw it there too I am not saying it is a jet as such but it and the other features revealed in the stretch are too uncannily similar for me to completely dismiss as nothing
Have you tried sitting back from your screen? The feature in both images seems even more obvious to me then..?
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Just an old sceptic.
And that's perfectly cool too
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Mike I also fail to see any jet in your comparison images,I even used a magnifying glass and could not see anything.
Also I think your arrows point to two different places.
You must have a fantastic screen as I could see nothing in those two images.
In your original negative image I could see some lines but to me looked like some artifact.
They don't to me show up in your colour images at all to me.
There has been no sign of a jet in any image of this galaxy I have seen.
Have you been in touch with any of the AAT astronomers on this.
Great image all the same.
Cheers
I would say it is your screen Ron.. and perhaps your eyes? as I said to Allan, don't look closely at it rather you need to sit back a little....as I said I noticed it in the colour version first, so go figure
Anyway, I am not claiming it as a discovery as such, just something intersting
I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who CAN see the features mentioned here don't be shy, I just want to confirm, or not, my emperor status or if I indeed have averted imagination
I can see some faint "trails" going upwards from the galaxy on your comparison of Aggie's image with the UK Schmidt scope. A bit harder to see on the Schmidt image - I really had to look hard - but I'm pretty sure I can see the main central jet at least.
I can see some vertical jets/streams in your amplified image. It would take a 20 hour image to really confirm it. They are probably real. Certainly fun to speculate about it.
I have thought for some time now that galaxies are way larger than they are usually depicted. They are so far away and the faint extensions so dim they usually don't come up.
I don't see anything on mine but that does not mean anything as mine is also not that long exposure and the minor light pollution here would prevent that faint detail.
Hi Mike - simply superb image, and the lack of calibration needed is remarkable! I can definitely see the features you're describing, on my iPhone and on my carefully calibrated workstation monitor. Whether they are jets I'll leave to the galactic morphologists, as I cannot begin to understand what sort of cosmological process would produce parallel lines spanning the width of a galaxy. Could it be subtle foreground galactic cirrus?
Regards,
Andrew.
Was good fun though - while image runs were set in motion, I was able to venture back inside and partake in the slowly increasing inebriation, loud music and crazy discussions all while imaging distant parts of the Universe 
...perhaps they are indeed deeper due to greater stretching? In my mind it is impossible for the UK Schmidt Image to be so similar to mine if those features aren't real..Hmmm?
