On-line: NBN Petition

[Hagar (Doug)]

This is all a crock of s***T. Anyone would think you are all going to roll over and die if the NBN doesn't go in.
Get a life and go outside without your smart phones, Ipads and laptops and now even smart cameras which need an internet connection. If the internet isn't fast enough for you to down load several GB of porn then just have another beer and it will eventually happen.
Go tell someone who is on an organ transplant list how dreadfully important the internet is and funnily they wont give a continental.
I still find it difficult to believe that so called educated people on this forum used the NBN as the basis of their vote in this election. In fact it is disgusting that our society has sunk to such trivial crap.

[The_bluester (Paul)]

Again, when someone can find an equity funding model (Which requires a financial return to work) to build a public hospital or operate an existing one I will start to put some weight on that one. And the "Faster porn" line is going to get from me the disdain it deserves. It did when Richard Alston trotted it out about a deacde ago too. Actually it earned more than that when he said it, more like ridicule and he did not remain comms minister for a great amount of time after that. Not that his replacement was a whole lot better.

Are you going to argue so stridently against the libs model too? Because on your own logic you should. They plan use the same sort of funding model to spend about two thirds as much to build a vastly less capable network that from your point of argument you must regard as unnessesary too and better "Spent" on hospitals.

Edited to add, it is a bit like arguing that you should not borrow money for an investment property because you have power bills to pay on the one you have now, and they are only going to get bigger.

[AndrewJ]

Gday Hagar

Anyone would think you are all going to roll over and die if the NBN doesn't go in.

I wouldnt go quite that far
I just think that if they dont at least try to do it properly up front,
it wont happen.
Ie i live near where Burke, Toorak and Tooronga Rds meet the Sth Eastern clogterial.
When i bought my house, the road was a 2 lane arterial with traffic lights.
For political expediency, when Kennett wanted to flog it off to private industry, he put bridges over the arterial to sweeten the deal,
but wouldnt stump up enough to go over the rail at the same time.
I guess there was no immediate return on capital.
Now, like a lot of other rail crossings, it is a nightmare that will cost 10x more to fix than it would have to have done it properly.

Andrew

As for organ transplants, i thought that the problem there was donors.
Its only if you are half dying that getting into a hospital is a problem.

[blink138 (Pat)]

Originally Posted by Hagar

This is all a crock of s***T. Anyone would think you are all going to roll over and die if the NBN doesn't go in.
Get a life and go outside without your smart phones, Ipads and laptops and now even smart cameras which need an internet connection. If the internet isn't fast enough for you to down load several GB of porn then just have another beer and it will eventually happen.
Go tell someone who is on an organ transplant list how dreadfully important the internet is and funnily they wont give a continental.
I still find it difficult to believe that so called educated people on this forum used the NBN as the basis of their vote in this election. In fact it is disgusting that our society has sunk to such trivial crap.

you must consider the wait for porn download "foreplay" do you hagar ha ha!
you are just as myopic as our new government and i, nor anybody else i know voted on this one issue so a tantrum on a public forum is not called for in my opinion
pat

[The_bluester (Paul)]

And I am gonig to officially bow out of the discussion.

This is not so much a debate as to the merits of competing models or even need for an overhaul of national infrastructure. It has gone the way of most NBN discussion I have seen, which is a debate mostly on ideological grounds that has over the years largely been informed by the opposition of the then opposition. You can bet your bum that if they had still seen it as an election issue they would have found a way to roll over on it while saving face just like school funding and disability care.

From here, all I can say is that I will consider myself lucky to have garnered a badly needed upgrade in infrastructure in my own instance (Pending a good radio signal survey on Thursday) which will make a whole lot of things that we do easier and more productive, and that piracy and porn do not feature at all prominently in our digital lives. I just hope that when they almost inevitably break the NBN pricing model I can afford to maintain the connection. The people who may or may not receive anything or may wait further years I have pity for, but there is not much I can do about that from here. The votes were cast and we will now get whatever it is that the government decide.

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by The_bluester

And I am gonig to officially bow out of the discussion.

......... and that piracy and porn do not feature at all prominently in our digital lives.

You learn in Philosophy 101, that in seeking to determine whether a statement is true, simply find an exception to the statement.

According to the Huffington Post (and many other sources):

25 percent of all search engine requests are for porn
35 percent of all Internet downloads are pornographic

...you have your head in the sand if you think of porn as not being a part of the digital lives of *many*

[avandonk]

I want to see pron in all its 4k splendour. None of this 720i low level stuff.

I reckon that most of the people flying around the world are just out to have fun! We should make sure all the planes are back to the 110 knots cruise of the DC3. This will stop or at least slow down all the decadence!

I can still remember when only 'nice' people could afford a car and chauffer!

If what people want is the pap on free to air commercial television I will not make any further comments about content for others.

Bert

[Kunama]

I don't often agree with Hagar, but I do today ! 8 pages of this banter back and forth is not going to change Tony's mind on this one.

It might be time to look for some clear skies.

Bert, I think we might be getting too old for "4k splendour"

[avandonk]

Originally Posted by Kunama

I don't often agree with Hagar, but I do today ! 8 pages of this banter back and forth is not going to change Tony's mind on this one.

It might be time to look for some clear skies.

Bert, I think we might be getting too old for "4k splendour"

I just got new glasses and I want to test them to the limit! My father warned me about going blind.

Bert

[Kunama]

You might need some "anti-fog spray" !

[The_bluester (Paul)]

I know I was bowing out but the last couple of posts have been entertaining enough to come back in for a moment.

Porn downloads don't feature as a reason for me wanting better than 2.5/0.5 mbit/sec but I'd don't speak for all! But the argument that it is all people want extra speed for is just so silly that it has to be ridiculed! The even sillier thing is that people actually do believe it!


Porn at 4K, what a scary thought!

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by avandonk

I want to see pron in all its 4k splendour. None of this 720i low level stuff.

I reckon that most of the people flying around the world are just out to have fun! We should make sure all the planes are back to the 110 knots cruise of the DC3. This will stop or at least slow down all the decadence!

I can still remember when only 'nice' people could afford a car and chauffer!

If what people want is the pap on free to air commercial television I will not make any further comments about content for others.

Bert

Displaying it isn't so much the problem, it is just that most of it isn't recorded in that format.

As for flying around the world, it is a hoot! Even when you don't get up the front of the plane. Couldn't stand it if it took 2 days to get to Singapore, then I would have to back the NBN

[Hagar (Doug)]

All this banter about my wording of porn. It could be interesting to see how many of you are sexual predators if we could get something like the iphone application Derrin Hinch had on 60 minutes last night. This sort of thing does matter.

As for The coalition policy. It's all crap easier to fill the holes in internet service with a decent satellite or 3/4G service. Put the whole dam thing in the private sector and watch the price go up but the service improve. It's called competition and whats more it works.
User pays. Download your porn and pay dearly for it.

I don't want either of the 2 networks.

[avandonk]

Build it and they will come!

Bert

[avandonk]

Hagar my HFC internet is fast enough to watch doco's at full HD on utube in real time. There are many more sites that offer video at this high quality such as Vimeo. It is not about pron. It is not about me or you.

It is about future uses we have not even invented yet because the bandwidth is inadequate for most Australians especially out in the bush.

The simple law of Physics is that one optical fibre can theoretically transmit a million times more data than ALL the radio frequencies. The current real world number is only about 300,000 times this bandwidth. This limit is only governed by the devices on the ends of the optical fibres. These can obviously be easily upgraded. All the talk of 3G and 4G being adequate is just absolute rubbish.

Yes 3G and 4G will work if you have a tower on each and every street corner all connected by optical fibre. Yes your mobile voice/data is mainly carried by fibre. Not 'wireless'!

Bert

[Peter.M]

Originally Posted by avandonk

It is about future uses we have not even invented yet because the bandwidth is inadequate for most Australians especially out in the bush.

Yes 3G and 4G will work if you have a tower on each and every street corner all connected by optical fibre. Yes your mobile voice/data is mainly carried by fibre. Not 'wireless'!

Bert

But people would have you believe that were better not going with the NBN because we cant miss what we never had. Sound argument, we should have never built cars, because you wouldn't miss them if they never existed.

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by Peter.M

But people would have you believe that were better not going with the NBN because we cant miss what we never had. Sound argument, we should have never built cars, because you wouldn't miss them if they never existed.

Humm.... I like that line of reasoning !

(curse you Walter Raleigh! )

[Peter.M]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

(curse you Walter Raleigh! )

Very clever.

[The_bluester (Paul)]

Originally Posted by Hagar

All this banter about my wording of porn. It could be interesting to see how many of you are sexual predators if we could get something like the iphone application Derrin Hinch had on 60 minutes last night. This sort of thing does matter.

As for The coalition policy. It's all crap easier to fill the holes in internet service with a decent satellite or 3/4G service. Put the whole dam thing in the private sector and watch the price go up but the service improve. It's called competition and whats more it works.
User pays. Download your porn and pay dearly for it.

I don't want either of the 2 networks.

Not just your wording Hagar. I am not kidding when I say that a former comms minister made that statement, it was around the time of the introduction of ADSL when uptake was poor due to ridiculous prices but people were making noise about actually wanting it. Thanks in good part to out policy settings of competition and letting the market decide. I would argue your point that competition is the cure for all our ills. 20 years of it has left us with high prices and piss poor connectivity everywhere except where the "competition" has cherry picked a big profit area and lovely anti competitive tricks from the incumbent. Competition policy for anything but mobiles has been a bit fat failure in Aus and the big T still makes the great majority of ally he profit in the industry.

And if you would like to get all sorts of reasonable people's noses out of joint, intimating that we might be sexual predators because we actually want a broadband connection that works quickly and reliably is a pretty good way to do it.

Whichever network gets built, no one will be forcing you to have a connection to it. If you don't want it, vote with your feet.

[Hagar (Doug)]

[QUOTE=The_bluester;1016207]Whichever network gets built, no one will be forcing you to have a connection to it. No, but I will still be expected to pay for it with my taxes If you don't want it, vote with your feet. What run like hell, just hide in the bush, maybe you mean kick a pollies backside. which one?[/QUOTE]



By the way I just fully re read these post and found this glimmer of rubbish.

I felt strongly enough that Australia needed a reset of telecommunications policy and infrastructure and that the NBN model was the best on offer that I changed from a pretty secure job with a telco to a less secure one in a company doing significant work for NBNco to get amongst it. I know more than probably 95% of people in Australia do about the project.

Nothing to do with a better salary or being closer to home or anything like that. You are doing this out of the goodness of your heart. BS
We should maybe vote you in as a polly, as it seems you care more than the rest of them do.