On-line: NBN Petition

[Hagar (Doug)]

Originally Posted by andrew2008

You got compensation for the carbon tax. Which they will keep, despite no carbon taxIt is the way just about every economist believes best to lower emissions.
And instead of higher electricity, companies will be raising costs to pass on there share of the parental leave scheme. Let us know if you are better off in 3 years

Mining tax was bad policy.

Andrew, seems you know a lot about me. I worked 60+ hours a week and was not entitled to any compensation yet someone who sat on their arse and enjoyed my working for a living did get compensated for a tax I was paying.
I am sure in 3 years I will be better off and I am sure in 3 years the country will be in a better situation financially as well.
I'm sure my retirement income will be more stable than it is today.

When you are nearly 60 and have worked for 42 years, eared a good income and payed as much tax as I have and retired and supporting yourself, then perhaps you can make an educated assessment of the situation and reasoning I base my statements on.

By the way I worked in the electricity industry for 42 years and watched as one of the biggest electricity generating companies in this country made a killing on the Carbon Tax. I have traded electricity for the past 15 years, have seen the introduction of an electricity market system, the changes, the introduction and workings of the Renewable energy certificate program and the introduction of the carbon tax and only the carbon tax equated to a huge number of extra staff (we pay for them all one way or another)to manipulate and manage a so called simple tax. What would an economist know about carbon emissions other than how to make a buck out of it? If there wasn't a dollar in it neither a broke government of big electricity companies wouldn't be interested in it.

I just watched an interesting news article where fruit growers in the Goulburn Valley are grubbing out their fruit trees. It appears government support for our own industry and growers is scarce yet we are unable to increase the cost of imported fruit as we might offend the countries sending us their fruit. Are we borrowing from them as well?
Oh sorry I forgot we are the lucky country. How long will we stay lucky? Soon we will be lucky if our children and grand children can get a job.

Enough of my rant.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Any-waaay...

If the petition doesn't work we can hope and pray the Coalition can be rolled in 3 years and we can have FTTH back on the table lets get to it guys keep spreading the good FTTH NBN word

Hallelujah!

[Paul Haese]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Any-waaay...

If the petition doesn't work we can hope and pray the Coalition can be rolled in 3 years and we can have FTTH back on the table lets get to it guys keep spreading the good FTTH NBN word

Hallelujah!

Labour back in 3 years, yeah sure. Maybe after the third term of the coalition. Then there might be some money in the bank to spend again.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

Labour back in 3 years, yeah sure. Maybe after the third term of the coalition. Then there might be some money in the bank to spend again.

Bunkum, come'on Paul be a true believer! You won't be settling for second best with your automation setup will ya? So it's FIBRE TO THE HOME "Give me an F, give me an I, give me an...."

Ah politics....

[Steffen]

Originally Posted by Hagar

I am sure in 3 years I will be better off and I am sure in 3 years the country will be in a better situation financially as well.

Oh dear. It seems like the coalition has painted itself into a corner there. People will be marching on Canberra with torches and pitchforks if their energy bills don't come down very soon, and the land of milk and honey does not materialise really quickly.

Cheers
Steffen.

[Hagar (Doug)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Any-waaay...

If the petition doesn't work we can hope and pray the Coalition can be rolled in 3 years and we can have FTTH back on the table lets get to it guys keep spreading the good FTTH NBN word

Hallelujah!

You just keep praying Mike. Religion wont do you any harm. and my internet will still be more than adequate.

[Steffen]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

Then there might be some money in the bank to spend again.

You do realise that making a surplus is the most incompetent thing a government can do. It means they're overtaxing. If they run out of things to spend money on they should lower taxes. The reality is, a diligent government will never run out of things to spend money on, not in our lifetimes anyway, not as long as our economy is facing towering structural problems.

Cheers
Steffen.

[michaellxv (Michael)]

Originally Posted by gary

....

Gary wrote the longest and most interesting post I have ever read ALL the way through. And I agree with him 100%

I had given up on the NBN months ago when the election result was obvious to all. But despite the arrogance of the new government I still hold some hope that people with vision will prevail.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Hagar

You just keep praying Mike. Religion wont do you any harm. and my internet will still be more than adequate.

Oh Thanks Cranky'ol Father Hagar

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by michaellxv

despite the arrogance of the new government I still hold some hope that people with vision will prevail.

Hallelujah and Amen to that brother

[Paul Haese]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Bunkum, come'on Paul be a true believer! You won't be settling for second best with your automation setup will ya? So it's FIBRE TO THE HOME "Give me an F, give me an I, give me an...."

Ah politics....

Man that is funny. Clayton will not be getting fibre to the home ever. It is not going to be serviced by the NBN because the township is too small. If we are lucky there will be wireless. When I go to the NBN map there is not even a remote date for when and if construction would begin. I contacted NBN Co just out of curiosity and was told there are no plans to service our little township. That is what will happen to a lot of tiny towns around Australia. So for now I am happy with ADSL on site and I don't mind the ADSL2+ at home.

Keep wishin Mike.

[Paul Haese]

Originally Posted by Steffen

You do realise that making a surplus is the most incompetent thing a government can do. It means they're overtaxing. If they run out of things to spend money on they should lower taxes. The reality is, a diligent government will never run out of things to spend money on, not in our lifetimes anyway, not as long as our economy is facing towering structural problems.

Cheers
Steffen.

Sure Steffen. Keep thinking that. Lucky the Howard government was incompetent then, otherwise we would have been in real trouble when the GFC hit.

[blink138 (Pat)]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

Sure Steffen. Keep thinking that. Lucky the Howard government was incompetent then, otherwise we would have been in real trouble when the GFC hit.

ha ha paul you say that like the howard government knew what was around the corner with the GFC and that is what the pack of monkeys in there at the moment have us believe....... however the fact is that brittany spears would have given us a surplus during that time if she was our PM
good luck not good management!
pat

[Steffen]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

Sure Steffen. Keep thinking that. Lucky the Howard government was incompetent then, otherwise we would have been in real trouble when the GFC hit.

Or maybe not. Rather than sucking a pile of money out of the economy and having it do nothing it could have been invested in direly needed structural changes, infrastructure, education, health – you know, all the things it was eventually spent on. The things that governments are meant to spend money on, and for which they collect taxes in the first place.

BTW, as you probably also know, there wasn't really a surplus, just left-overs from an unprecedented sale of "table silver" (privatisation of public assets).

Cheers
Steffen.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

Keep wishin Mike.

Oh I will...

Viva progressive non conservative politics, I'll fight for it if it means we can get worthwhile things for our country and minimise discrimination based on wealth or class and against pretentious people who complain about their electricity bills going up less than the cost of a service on their Ferrari

So... we are just different, all good

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Steffen

You do realise that making a surplus is the most incompetent thing a government can do.

Whoaa......

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Whoaa......

He's right Marc, there's a time and place for everything

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

He's right Marc, there's a time and place for everything

Of course but seriously?... The previous surplus gave a lot of spending money to the Rudd/Gillard gvt. Regardless of what they used it for, don't bite the hand that feeds you. The govt is not a non profit charity. We need funds to function and keep our options open.

[Retrograde (Pete)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

The previous surplus gave a lot of spending money to the Rudd/Gillard gvt.

Actually it was at the expense of on-going revenue as the $27b odd surplus was partly achieved by selling off $72b of money-making assets.

Don't hold your breath for the Libs FTTN rollout. They don't really believe in it & their plan hasn't even been properly costed. My bet is it will be quietly shelved after the 'commission of (fr)audit' as a thank-you to the media companies that helped propel the Libs into office as fast broadband is a serious threat to electronic media's business models (which are under a great deal of pressure already).

I signed the petition but doubt it will do much good.

[Hagar (Doug)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Oh Thanks Cranky'ol Father Hagar

I wouldn't say cranky, not yet anyway, maybe a better choice of words would be realistic, honest, sensible and the list goes on.