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[icytailmark (Mark)]

well as everyone knows abbott won. This means no more NBN (Fibre to the home). Abbott wants to use the current copper network. Whatever the highest speed is on the copper network that is all your getting until labor gets back in.

[acropolite (Phil)]

I've still got my fingers crossed, the fibre is 500 metres away down the street, the conduits have been rodded ready for pulling in the fibre. Hopefully it won't be an instantaneous cutoff.

[LewisM]

Got a friend who is head of one of the major contractors doing it. He said it makes no difference whatsoever who got in, as it's NOT going to complete anyway. I am on a copper rim, and there were no plans - even under Labor - to remedy that for another 5 years at least.

NBN has been an expensive farce from day 1.

[mithrandir (Andrew)]

We're planning to move from here with ADSL2+ at 13MB/s to a place 5Km away with no DSL. I don't want bloatpuddle cable for my internet but will have no choice - Optus haven't cabled the street.

NBN fibre is supposed to be there within 12 months. Fingers crossed.

[lazjen (Chris)]

Thankfully it looks like the senate is not controlled by the coalition, so there's a chance that some aspects of the NBN can be saved if it requires legislation to alter the current path.

[GrahamL]

They were talking about this the other night Phil, If Malcom T was
talking straight existing roll out contracts will be honoured and continue for now, being so far along with your area you'd think they'd
likely still complete it, so don't dust off the shovel yet

[Saturn%5 (Graeme)]

Originally Posted by acropolite

I've still got my fingers crossed, the fibre is 500 metres away down the street, the conduits have been rodded ready for pulling in the fibre. Hopefully it won't be an instantaneous cutoff.

Good news for you Phil you will get it

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by icytailmark

Whatever the highest speed is on the copper network that is all your getting until labor gets back in.

I've had fibre optic in the joiner box in front of my house on Telstra conduits for the past 4 years now. It's just sitting there not connected. Last time the Telstra maintenance guys was doing some maintenance he showed me all the connectors in the hole and said, that's yours, that's your neighbour here, that's this house there, etc... It's already wired to the exchange in Miller 5km away. When I said why isn't it switched on? He said well Telstra paid for it with their own money so... It's all in the hands of the pollies now. So maybe when labor comes back in they connect it?.... not. Anyway fast internet is not a priority. There are more other important things to fix right now.

[hotspur (Chris)]

It appears the newspaper owners were rather worried about this NBN,and apparently would cause newspapers/print media to be finished,it appears the newspaper coverage was rather tilted to 'colour up' the LNP,so that Labour would not get in and keep going on NBN.If that's the case-well Australia has been short changed -again.

[LewisM]

Same SH**, different day, different politics.

[Peter.M]

Most of the people complaining about the NBN complain about the wrong things.

I have no problem with abbots 25mbps to every home with fiber to the node at the end of the street and then copper to your house. I don't think anyone could argue that they as a personal user would need more than 25mbps (currently). And regardless of if you had 100mpbs that extra bandwidth would only be useable within our country because of our southern cross link with America being at maximum.

Now don't get me wrong I do not support the coalitions plan, but for different reasons. The NBN should be implemented because it future proofs us. Notice above I put currently in brackets, in the future we have no idea what our bandwidth needs will be. I sure as hell didn't think I would be uploading 100mb tiffs online 10 years ago.

What will happen is that technology will advance and 25mbps will no longer cut it, and then the government in power will choose to extend the fiber to the home anyway. This is why I am against it, because the nodes will be wasted money and it will likely cost us more when someone finishes the job later.

[gary]

Before 1901, Australia was not a nation.

Instead there were six independent British colonies still subject to British law.

In the mid and late 1800's an enormous effort was undertaken to
deploy overland telegraph systems within and between the various colonies.

By late 1871, two undersea cables were completed to reach Java, one coming
from Darwin and the other from Roebuck Bay. Existing telegraph systems then
connected Java with the rest of the world.

Despite the high cost and the blood, sweat and tears involved in deploying them,
the new telegraph systems provided an enormous economic boom to the colonies.

Farmers and traders would come to telegraph stations to contact buyers and sellers.
Commodities such as wool and wheat became viable to trade and export.
Towns arose around the major telegraph stations and new economic activity flourished.

The commerce between the independent colonies that the telegraph systems helped bring
about was hampered however by tariffs between them.

Sir Henry Parkes of New South Wales raised the notion of federation, that is the idea
of a unified country called "Australia", in 1880. The tariffs would be removed.
After a series of referenda in the colonies, Australia was declared a nation on
January 1 1901.

So continent-wide communications systems had been instrumental in the enormous
increase in commerce between the colonies and had played a crucial role in
the idea that the nation of Australia should be formed.

In the 21st century, modern high-speed communication systems are not merely some indulgence
but a vital piece of infrastructure to assist the nation in continuing to grow and prosper.

They are an absolute priority, even more so in the fast moving, highly connected
global marketplace that is the reality of the times in which we live.

Information has become the currency of the 21st century.


Best Regards

Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place, Mount Kuring-Gai
NSW. 2080. Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
Fax +61-2-9457-9593
sales@wildcard-innovations.com.au
http://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by gary

, modern high-speed communication systems are not merely some indulgence
but a vital piece of infrastructure to assist the nation in continuing to grow and prosper.

They are an absolute priority, even more so in the fast moving, highly connected
global marketplace that is the reality of the times in which we live.

Fast internet for the masses will come in time. Bigger things to take care of right now. Get faster internet tomorrow and it'll be clogged by social media and crap going faster from A to B within the year, then we'll be back to square one. If fast transfer rates is critical to businesses then so be it. Start here. Anyone who has a PTY/LTD or ABN and has genuine reasons to state it's mission critical then get a node access to optics network. Leave all the tweet and BS on the copper network.

[gary]

Originally Posted by Kunama

I love fast internet .......... BUT ........... seriously, we have pensioners living on a pittance each week buying chicken necks instead of breast fillets, we have homeless starving in the streets, hospitals with enormous waiting lists, medical researchers trying to find funding for important work and yet we quibble over whether we should have an optical fibre or a copper wire leading up to every house in Australia.

What the hell has happened to our priorities ?

My 2 cents .....

Hi Matt,

Thanks for the post and I can answer that for you.

In 2012-13, social security and welfare, health, public order and safety and
housing and community amenities account for just over $203 billion of federal
spending, equivalent to 54% of the total budget.

It is wonderful to live in a country that can pay for these things and it would be even
more wonderful if we could spread the net further.

However, to do that, we need revenue and we do that as a nation by producing
goods, commodities and services.

Spending on communications and transport infrastructure has a multiplier effect
in that enables individuals and businesses to generate even more income that can
be used not only to pay for that infrastructure but to provide a social safety net.

To put that into some perspective, in 2012 $5 billion was spent on transport and
communications infrastructure in the federal budget, just over 1%.

What's more the expenditure on the NBN was a loan which was to be re-paid by
the profits it was to make.

Many confuse the NBN concept as being "fast internet at home". It is that and
a lot more. It is the overhaul of the entire nations communications infrastructure.

As an individual running a business that exports, I proud to be able to say I am
amongst those who have brought in more foreign revenue than I have consumed
personally myself by way of overseas purchases. I am also proud of the fact that
the taxation revenue from that has made a contribution to the country's social safety net.

Plus we employ Australian workers who in turn pay tax that also play their
small part in contributing to social welfare.

But I don't know of a way I can just pull money out of thin air.
Like most Australian businesses we need infrastructure such as viable
communications systems to bring that about.

Businesses borrow and invest in themselves all of the time in order to grow.
Now and then, when it comes to infrastructure such as communications
and transport, governments have a vital role to play.

Best Regards

Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place, Mount Kuring-Gai
NSW. 2080. Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
Fax +61-2-9457-9593
sales@wildcard-innovations.com.au
http://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by gary

Many confuse the NBN concept as being "fast internet at home". It is that and
a lot more. It is the overhaul of the entire nations communications infrastructure.

Right now we need to lower taxes so people have more money in their pocket and in turn spend it in Australia not overseas online, boost production and export, cut down on gvt size, lay-off small businesses and local retail cases and give them a break. Long hard road and unpopular decisions to be taken. Internet is #999 on a list of 1000 thing to do.

[Peter.M]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Right now we need to lower taxes so people have more money in their pocket and in turn spend it in Australia not overseas online, boost production and export, cut down on gvt size, lay-off small businesses and local retail cases and give them a break. Long hard road and unpopular decisions to be taken. Internet is #999 on a list of 1000 thing to do.

You are both arguing the same point. If the countries business makes more money through the communications infrastructure then we can afford to make tax cuts to the small guys because the total revenue will stay unchanged. You are saying that the money spent on NBN would be better spent on people, Gary is saying that the increase in revenue from the NBN expenditure would cover itself in the long run and cause more revenue to be generated to help people.

I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Peter.M

You are both arguing the same point. If the countries business makes more money through the communications infrastructure then we can afford to make tax cuts to the small guys because the total revenue will stay unchanged. You are saying that the money spent on NBN would be better spent on people, Gary is saying that the increase in revenue from the NBN expenditure would cover itself in the long run and cause more revenue to be generated to help people.

I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

Certainly in the long run. But not in the short term. My business is putting small businesses online. 99% of them are retail so I have my finger on the pulse of things. It's gone down since 2007 and skydived more dramatically in 2010. TBH I don't need faster internet and I'm in the biz. If it's good enough for my business to function properly then it's more than enough for the average joe to tweet. Speed and reliability is more than adequate as it is. The NBN cost cannot be carried by the small population in Oz. That's a fact. Let's not talk about more borrowing into the future of Australia. We've been there... It has to be a progressive thing. It will happen over time by necessity. Right now it will make no difference. Nada. To the local economy and domestic spending. The immediate concern is to get all those retail guys heads out of the water asap by restoring consumer confidence and stopping bleeding money O/S otherwise there won't be any locals left and people will buy online O/S. Faster internet will only compound to the problem at this point in time. We need to get our priorities right. Gary is in a black spot In Mt Kuring-gai and I have no doubt transfer and connectivity issues are an hindrance to his business so he's an avid supporter of the NBN. In a perfect world we're all are. But there's a bigger picture.

[Ausrock (Chris)]

It's an infitinely complex issue.............lowering taxes, getting fibre optics to everyone, etc., etc., blah, blah...........these things alone won't do diddly squat to rectify the currently existing problems.

If you believe "the news" re the NBN, it is already being stated that there's a ridiculous number of connection problems that are already going to have to be repaired................unfortunate ly, it's reminiscent of the insulation debacle. A great idea on paper rushed into for reasons more political than practical.

There's going to have to be some hard and unpopular decisions made if we as a country are going to continue going forward..........this is a fact regardless of anyone's political bias.

Like it or lump it, believe it or not.

[LewisM]

Originally Posted by Kunama

I love fast internet .......... BUT ........... seriously, we have pensioners living on a pittance each week buying chicken necks instead of breast fillets, we have homeless starving in the streets, hospitals with enormous waiting lists, medical researchers trying to find funding for important work and yet we quibble over whether we should have an optical fibre or a copper wire leading up to every house in Australia.

What the hell has happened to our priorities ?

My 2 cents .....

As simplistic as it sounds, I agree with you 100% Matt. The NBN was not even a consideration in my voting. We have ADSL 1 where we live. Do we need faster? Nope. Why do I need it.

The NBN should extend primarily to schools first and foremost, business sector (banking etc), hospitals. Householders do NOT NEED fast internet. Nice to have, utterly non-essential. We made do with dial up for pities sake.

Fix the roads, fix the aged, fixed the disabled and homeless. Create jobs. Then, MAYBE, consider making downloading porn faster.

Flame away. Fire proof undies on.

[Barrykgerdes]

I am on the anti NBN side because it is not really going to produce the commercial gains that many are touting.and the cost is not justified against the assumed gains. I am sure that businesses that can profit by really high speed internet will be able to pay for it without being susidised by the rest of the population.

I have a 30% ADSL2 connection and that is good enough to download 1GB files in about 20 minutes. I don't need to do this often as most of my internet is simple communication that still runs at about the same effective speed as my original dial up. I am not interested in streaming video. Besides while downloading I always have something else in progress

However if I get access to the full NBN via a fibre link I will most certainly connect and be able to download the file in a minute or so and/or I will be quite happy to have a full ADSL via a hub and copper. (our street has copper that is only 15 years old) and a spare duct belonging to optus with nothing in it.

There is other infrastructure that should have a higher priority than internet. Tony wants to build roads. I prefer rail for interstate freight but road freight will always be cheaper when it is subsidised by other road users.

Barry