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Old 24-08-2013, 09:41 AM
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US Trip - Part 4: Flagstaff

HI All,

I have now moved onto the next and last phase of my trip, as I am now in San Diego for 7 days. The weather here is certainly better than the last place.

Flagstaff is a nice town, which sits at 7000 feet in elevation and due to recent heavy rainfall it is nice a green around Flagstaff and its surrounding areas.

The first day was spent at the Barringer Meteor Crater. Although most people think it is just a big hole in the ground, it is what that hole represents that is interesting. It was interesting to see the shock within the rock formations. Because it was hard to get any real scale to this crater, I suggested that they get three identical items and place one close to the viewing platform, in the middle and at the other side, in order to get a better perspective of size. At 4000 across, it is huge and 2 1/2 miles in circumference, just doesn't look it. Nevertheless, it was an awesome sight.

Later that day, I bought a half kilo piece of the Canyon Diablo Iron/Nickel meteorite from a dealer in Flagstaff. I now own a little piece of a supernova. Cool I also bought a couple of other meteorites from other falls as well, but these were much smaller.

The drive out to the meteorite crater was great too, as I sat on 130kph without the fear of getting picked up for speeding. The Police here give you a reasonable leeway on speed here. The Insterstate speed limit is 120kph and the traffic actually keeps to the inside lane too. The outside lane is for passing only. I never had to slow down....awesome I blew past a cop doing about 10-12 k's over the limit and he didn't even bat an eyelid. Well, of course I really couldn't see if he did bat an eyelid or not, but he didn't chase me . Another interesting thing about driving in the US is the ability to turn right at red lights, as long as it is safe to do so or otherwise noted. Great idea, but it couldn't happen in Perth, as the proliferation of Red Light cameras would prevent this.

The second day was spent at Lowell Observatory where I had a personal tour of the facilities, including the Dicovery Channel Telescope (DCT). This came about due to my previous ties with Perth Observatory where I did some collaborative work for Lowell.

The DCT is an awesome RCT design scope, and at USD54 million it would want to be! I thought about putting one of these on Santa's list ythis year, but with an operating cost of nearly 14,000 per day, I don't think so The delevelopement cost of this scope was actually quite cheap, relatively speaking, as it utilised existing technology, just upscaled. The encoders on the DCT really impressed me with a pointing accuracy of 20,000 of an arc second And that can be improved further, apparently.

The DCT utilises Active Optics, as opposed to Adaptive Optics. Actice Optics, keeps an accurate shape of the mirror instead of trying to match the wavefront, as it Adaptive Optics. The accuracy of keeping the mirror to its correct figure is astonishing. This telescope also has on site its own vacuum chamber for aluminising, which is an upscaled version of an existing design, thus reducing cost. The vacuum chamber can get an astonishing low vacuum, but I didn't understand the figure quoted, so haven't mentioned it here. But I am told figure quoted is extremely low. Also, it has some neat technology built in to distribute the aluminium coating evenly.

The DCT was clevely designed and built at a much reduced cost. Its called the DCT in recognition of the seed money donated by the Discovery Channel. Interestingly, the discovery channel doesn't get assigned any time either, which surprised me.

The observatory and dome structure was also an interesting design and as a result is much smaller than it would normally need to be. The mounting system is also impressive.

Unfortunately, due to a major power outage in the area it wasn't able to be used. It does have a backup generators, the backup generators also failed, due to battery problems. The DCT uses an enormous amount of electricity to operate it and its instrument packages.

The instrument box can hold five different instruments at once, and each altitude can also be fitted with instruments as well. So, technically, it can have mounted 7 instruments, with mirrors to switch between instruments.

Although this telescope has seen first light and taken an awesome image of the Somberoro Galaxy,k it is still in the commisioning stage and won't be ready for any science for a few more months. Overall, I thought it was an astonishingly nice telescope

I also got to see all the other scopes on Mars Hill and at the Anderson Mesa Research Centre, including the scope Clyde Tombaugh used to discover Pluto. Interestingly, Lowell, in conjunction with the US Navy have an interferometer set up at the Anderson Mesa for acurately measuring bright star positions. The interferometer has three arms in a Y configeration.

It was a very interesting day and I was also interestwed to learn that Lowell now actively seeks pro-am colloboration.

The third day I started out very early for the Grand Canyon. The drive there was great as I drove through forrest and had the road all to myself. The Grand canyon sure is great. I knew it was big, but until I stood at the edge, I had no idea how big it really is. Being there gives you a whole new perspective. But, I have to admit to being a little disappointed too, as the pollution that hangs in the Canyon is quite evident by a blue haze. Apparently, it is like this all year round and is related to pollution.

When I got there I thought I must have taken a left turn at Albuquerque and ended up in Europe! There were French and Germans everywhere i went. I had a hard time finding someone who spoke English to ask them to take my photo.

Mid morning, I decided to leave the GC and head to Canyon De Chelly in the Navajo Nation (on the suggestion of fellow IIS'er Gary). I was advised, by GC staff, that it was a three hour drive, but in reality was a 4 1/2 drive. But, what a drive, I loved it. Driving from the Canyon I went from Ponderosa pine forrest, to thick bushland, (the type I know not), down through mountains to Prairie devoid of anything above about 6" to totally desolate land that had nothing growing on it and then limestone mountains with barely anything tgrowing on it. It surprises me that here and there tuffs of grass clings tenaciously to these rocks. The colours were awesome as was the variety of changing landescapes. Because of recent rains there were different colour flowers blooming here and there, which made for a very contrasting drive.

I arrived mid afternoon at Canyon De Chelly, Chinle, and what an awesome place. I wished I had come here first, as I would have lovged to take a tour into the Canyon, the floor of which was very green. The "house under the rocks" was also very interesting, but from the viewing platform, it looked like a model, giving you a great perspective of how big this canyon is. I ended up sitting on the edge of the canyon in quiet relection until after dark.

I left Chinle after dark and it took another 5 hours driving to get back to the hotel in Flagstaff. It was great driving at night without the fear of hitting a roo. I thoroughly enjoyed the drive from the GC to Canyon De Chelly and back to Flagstaff and covered over 600 miles. Fortunately, I like long distance driving. Some people here think driving 600 miles is awesome, but I have done more as a Service Manager for an Agricultural company.

The Final day was spent at the Sunset Crater National Park and the lava Fields were awesome, as were the cinder strewn hills, devoid of any life. Hmm I seemed to be using the word awesome a lot on this trip.

Well, there is lots more to tell but I think I have prattled on enough, time to go get something to eat.

Take care everybody.

Cheers Peter

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Old 24-08-2013, 09:59 AM
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Thanks for the Tour Peter
I have done parts of the tour myself and loved every moment of it
Stay safe.
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Old 24-08-2013, 12:06 PM
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Hey Peter,

sounds like a rippin' time you're having.

I gather the sheila from the last place didn't tag along Totally unconnected with astro stuff, but while in San Diego, the safari park there was well worth a visit - at least it was in 2011.

Other than that, all I remember of SD was the bloddy rain. The night we rocked up, the forecast was for like 2 years rain to fall overnight - boy can we pick 'em!

Anyways, it was really wet, but it fell far short of the prediction thankfully.

Hope you continue to enjoy the final section of your hols Pete

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Old 25-08-2013, 01:10 AM
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Hey Peter,

sounds like a rippin' time you're having.

I gather the sheila from the last place didn't tag along Totally unconnected with astro stuff, but while in San Diego, the safari park there was well worth a visit - at least it was in 2011.

Other than that, all I remember of SD was the bloddy rain. The night we rocked up, the forecast was for like 2 years rain to fall overnight - boy can we pick 'em!

Anyways, it was really wet, but it fell far short of the prediction thankfully.

Hope you continue to enjoy the final section of your hols Pete

Regards,
Hi Paul,

Nah, not going to fall for that one Paul, hunting for info on the lady. It wasn't the last place anyway, but the very first, that captured all my attention, and I mean "all" my attention!

I will just say this much, I am looking forward to coming back, hopefully in time for Stellarfarfane, but probably sooner.

But, the woman sure love my aussie accent and sense of humour here But, I am not a player, so it matters not!

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Old 25-08-2013, 04:49 AM
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You should take photos with a digital camera.It would be much better.With digital cameras so cheap these days we would like to see all those holiday shots,Especially of the meteor crater.
I've seen how huge the size of the crater is in the Movie Starman.There was an actual scene of the meteor crater and with the big size movie theater screen you get a good idea of the immense size of the crater.
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Old 25-08-2013, 11:35 AM
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You should take photos with a digital camera.It would be much better.
Hi Mr Bruess,

I do have a digital camera (Canon 60D) and have filled 3x 32Gb cards so far, and on my way to filling a 4th. But, photos are shot in both RAW and large JPEG, so they tend to fill cards fairly quickly, as I shoot multiples to ensure I get at least one decent photo.

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re: There were French and Germans everywhere i went.

Wunderbar mien friend....das ist goot...now take a photo of me

Hope you didn't mention anything about the War

Sounds like a great day out.....no wonder you want to go back...

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Old 26-08-2013, 10:24 AM
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re: There were French and Germans everywhere i went.

Wunderbar mien friend....das ist goot...now take a photo of me

Hope you didn't mention anything about the War

Sounds like a great day out.....no wonder you want to go back...

Flash.....
Hi Flash,

Standing on the side of a 1000ft plus canyon with a bunch of German's around........No, I didn't mention the war

As for those great days, I sure hope there are more to come....next year! I am not saying more than that! I don't want to jink myself

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We were picked up for speeding, 15mph over the speed limit, by a very zealous cop, on our drive from Phoenix to Tucson. He was very very serious indeed and we said a lot of "yes sirs and no sirs". Fortunately he dropped it down to 10mph over so the fine was less.

I too was disappointed by the amount of pollution in the GC. I wonder if it is true that some of it comes all the way from China, as we were told?
The GC can be a very spiritual experience don't you think? One first seeing it, I just stood there for a few minutes, with tears running down my face. "Grand" is such an understatement.
LOLOL Our little group of 4, we agreed at the beginning of the day, that we weren't allowed to say the word "Awesome" all day. You will fully understand how difficult a task that was.
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Old 27-08-2013, 12:56 AM
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We were picked up for speeding, 15mph over the speed limit, by a very zealous cop, on our drive from Phoenix to Tucson. He was very very serious indeed and we said a lot of "yes sirs and no sirs". Fortunately he dropped it down to 10mph over so the fine was less.

I too was disappointed by the amount of pollution in the GC. I wonder if it is true that some of it comes all the way from China, as we were told?
The GC can be a very spiritual experience don't you think? One first seeing it, I just stood there for a few minutes, with tears running down my face. "Grand" is such an understatement.
LOLOL Our little group of 4, we agreed at the beginning of the day, that we weren't allowed to say the word "Awesome" all day. You will fully understand how difficult a task that was.
Yes jjjnettie,

There has been a lot of "awesome" and "spritual" experiences in this country. My best day is still the drive up the hwy 550 between Durango and Ouray. I am going to do this agian, but drive it all the way to Green River and back.

The pollution, apparently, comes from a coal fired power station from within the US, not China. At least, that is my understanding.

And, as for "awesome", what other superlative is there?

Well, today I am off to pick up a rental and drive up to Mt Palomar and go to OPT to pick up my new scope.

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I think it was "super dooper" when I was a citizen there then!!

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I think it was "super dooper" when I was a citizen there then!!

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When was that, the 70's

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Thanks for sharing your experiences, sounds like you had a great trip!
I went to Barringer Crater in 2000 - bicycled there from Flagstaff in scorching heat on the shoulder of highway you mentioned. I think it's about 70kms from memory? The crater is absolutely stunning and was something I'd always wanted to see ever since I saw a photo of it in a book as a little kid.
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