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Old 28-12-2016, 04:16 PM
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Clive I don't entirely agree.

I certainly do agree with the scientific evidence however there are other factors and a significant one imho is the "heat island" effect of expanding suburbia - with appallingly badly designed houses - on what had been grazing land and bushland.

So it should be no surprise to see capital cities breaking record temps as this urbanisation continues unabated and with little thought given to natural and passive cooling.
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Old 28-12-2016, 04:56 PM
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Clive I don't entirely agree.

I certainly do agree with the scientific evidence however there are other factors and a significant one imho is the "heat island" effect of expanding suburbia - with appallingly badly designed houses - on what had been grazing land and bushland.

So it should be no surprise to see capital cities breaking record temps as this urbanisation continues unabated and with little thought given to natural and passive cooling.

Well, we are more or less on the same page.

with all due respect, however, I would be disinclined to attribute the lion's share of the global temperature anomaly to the heat island effect (which I agree is significant and of course, real) maybe I misinterpreted what you were getting at?
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Old 29-12-2016, 01:02 AM
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I agree with you pgc hunter, the headline was "since 1945" so where was global warming then??(other than a couple of spots over Japan) I can remember in Sydney as a kid in the early 60's of temps of 105 deg/40 odd deg, every now & then earth wobbles a bit closer to the sun, sometimes a bit further away, called it an iceage, just an excuse for a tax grab, we could certainly do a bit more about pollution, but volcano's have been doing it forever, so what's the real answer normal or our fault??
A refreshing voice of reason. Many of our heat records were set decades ago. Take the record 50C+ heat in Oodnadatta and Mardie, in 1960 and 1998 respectively. We haven't cracked 50 since. There have been intense hot spells in the past, and it is normal. It is Australia in the summer.

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Its this kind of response that makes you wonder about the intellectual capacity of some people...

Scientists around the world are in agreement that this is man made, current data and the fossil record overwhelmingly support the contention that climate change is real, accelerating, and we are responsible. Yet, people who should know better, continue to stick their heads where the sun don't shine. What do you do?

The best you can come up with is tiresome, boring "green bashing" and short sighted whining about job losses... As far as job losses are concerned, you ain't seen NOTHIN YET. Just have a look at the projected impact that a dead Barrier Reef and devastated agricultural production will have on jobs.

Your comments are little more than right winged, ill informed, dogma driven tripe....
If it was your job that was lost, you would change your tune quick smart. You're right, we haven't seen nothing yet. The Vic govt is well established on their campaign to kill off the power industry and put thousands out of work and to make the state unattractive to business like here in SA, just to buy votes from the leftist hipster skinny-jeans wearing latte sipping set in inner Melbourne.

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Say it with meaning pgch.
Lost your job lately as you seem pricklier than a doublegee coated lolĺipop?

I dont mind the coming green revolution. At least for automobiles. I wouldnt mind not getting covered in fumes everytime I stand at a busy intersection. Might actually be able to have the windows down on hot days in heavy traffic. No traffic noise (especially the quintessential noise maker the obnoxious late night harley rider)

We have a climate with enough sun and wind to power probably the world. At least geraldton does.

So why not use it and create green tech jobs etc and a breathable atmosphere even if it doesn't have an effect on temps?
No I haven't lost my job, just talking some cold hard truths, which the greenleft never like to hear. But if I did lose my job as a result of this insane green global warming mantra, I wouldn't be so goddamned nice with my choice of words. Same cannot be said sadly for the hundreds that have lost their jobs and means of supporting their families as a direct consequence of this cancerous green religion You think we can power the world with solar panels and propellers? The moronic premier in SA can't even power a state of 1.8 million people without blackouts every time the wind blows. A direct consequence of his green religion agenda. You cannot rely on solar and wind without a reliable baseload like coal and nuclear with current technology. BTW, your electric cars are recharged from coal fired electricity. See the irony? In SA, you can recharge them with 40% "green" energy, but it better not be too windy or not windy enough, because you'll be pushing that Nissan Leaf to work.

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It's this kind of response that confirms the intellectual capacity of some people...
^^^ Fixed.
I can't say much for the intellectual capacity of your bumbling fascist heroes in the Vic and SA parliament who have all but screwed these states with their totalitarian greenleft/socialist agenda. That big ugly pissed off looking ape in your avatar would do a better job than these cretins.

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This thread underscores the reason I have fallen out of love with democracy...

For those of you with 3 or more kids + cat &/or dog... seriously - try putting the direction of your household's financial resources up for a majority vote and post the video of the ensuing chaos on you-choob. it will be fascinating to watch....... as compelling as a slow motion train wreck, I'd wager.

Oh... jfc... they just did that with Donald Chump. (not to mention the string of muppets preceding him)
Well you are more than welcome to move to North Korea comrade. You know what is a fascinating trainwreck to watch? The hard-left green policies of the rabid SA and Vic premiers killing off jobs, removing reliable electricity supply and then having to pay the world's highest power prices for the privilege. Then there is the follow-on effect of loss of manufacturing as businesses will not invest in expensive, unreliable power with a corresponding loss of jobs and economic impact.

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Call me churlish if you will.... but I had a little chuckle to myself knowing that Sab (and his generation) will be the primary beneficiaries of the fruits of their climate change inaction, long after us old timer's have shed our mortal coil.

Remember us Sab... I'm sure you will resonate with us in 30, 40 years or so, when you are faced with the next generation of teenage geniuses that know more than all the science community put together. (apparently)
We are already the "beneficiaries" of your "climate change action". We will remember you and your labor/green/left/marxist/socialist heroes alright, remember you for the way your mob screwed the populace with unreliable electricity, high power prices, increasing cost of living to fund your green schemes, loss of manufacturing, jobs and follow-on impact to the economy, and hardships for our local farmers and other businesses. And it's not my generation that are affected the worst, but the poor pensioners who have to now choose whether to eat or heat their homes. Well done, clap clap clap :screwy :

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What a load bollocks.

Gen X Y and Z are behaving as if the sky is falling when the temp tops 30. It isn't.

It is perfectly normal in the eastern states to have a heatwave over Xmas - NY with temps topping 40 in Sydney - and quite frankly that has NOT happened so far this year. And all I see is a lot of softies whining about how long the aircon is needed. As one who grew up without aircon this is ridiculous.

Yes I agree there is climate change - particularly in the monthly averages and night time temps, but it might not be all bad. For example the rain shadow that existed 20 years ago over Sydney to south coast seems to have gone, and while on average hotter, it has been consistently wetter.

Since when did Alice Springs get 200mm in midsummer, let alone in 1 day ?
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Old 29-12-2016, 03:04 AM
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Pgch electrical power hasnt been around that long and grids only over a century. Pretty sure a lot of humans got on fine without it and the sky didnt fall in. Perhaps we are too used to power on tap and need to adapt to a different way of life.

I grew up in the remote countryside and we often had power outages for days at a time for various reasons. We still survived and i have good memories of sitting around a lamp and candles playing board games till bedtime.

A good saying is adapt or die. You can't bury your head in the sand and expect things to go away or stay the same.
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Old 29-12-2016, 09:06 AM
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Sab, well all I have to say to that is
Hitler was ghey and Stalin's dog did 9/11...

There, I think we have pretty much covered the forum T.O.S..?
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:48 PM
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despite it apparently being a greenie/leftist/Marxist/insane/socialist/Labor/fascist!!! conspiracy by the Latte set, Adelaide was still the hottest city on the planet on Christmas day.

If anyone is actually interested in a clear summary (with the odd fact thrown in) of why the power system in SA is in turmoil, try reading https://theconversation.com/south-au...han-wind-62824
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Old 29-12-2016, 12:55 PM
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That big ugly pissed off looking ape in your avatar would do a better job than these cretins.
Sab, he is not big, he is not pissed off, nor strictly speaking, an ape, as distinct from human beings who (somewhat ironically) actually are part of the (great) ape family, and are generally found to be miserable (often observed in the wild, ranting about how tough life is with opposable thumbs) ... and with respect to the term "ugly" might I suggest spending an evening in King's Cross, Allepo, Gaza or have a chat to the orphans who survive on the scraps from a Philippine rubbish tip and then we'll argue semantics. ... Or, if you would prefer the easy/light option... just take a drive up through Morwell to Traralgon...an environmental paradise... a contemporary garden of Eden, rendered large!
who could argue with that?

fwiw) That chap (in my avatar) is in fact a Sulawesi (crested) macaque.
http://cdn1.arkive.org/media/76/7625...e-at-coast.jpg
Known for their dexterity, curiosity, self awareness and intelligence.
This particular macaque (picture following) is famous for finding a camera in the jungle, picking it up and managing to take a number of 'selfies', whilst striking a pose, being drawn to the (upside-down) reflection it saw of itself in the lens.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rs-camera.html
The significance of which might well be a subtlety that is lost on you.
I guess one thing that we can agree on is that we don't have much in the way of common values and we see the world through the prism of profoundly different eyes.

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Old 29-12-2016, 01:03 PM
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despite it apparently being a greenie/leftist/Marxist/insane/socialist/Labor/fascist!!! conspiracy by the Latte set, Adelaide was still the hottest city on the planet on Christmas day.

If anyone is actually interested in a clear summary (with the odd fact thrown in) of why the power system in SA is in turmoil, try reading https://theconversation.com/south-au...han-wind-62824
Oh, there you go again Ray with hard facts and a logically consistent argument.

I'm having none of this new fangled, scientific method devil magic!

btw) thanks for the link...
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Old 29-12-2016, 01:30 PM
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This whole business about Adelaide being the hottest on a particular day is
a bit silly. There are many cities that frequently experience higher temps
than Adelaide ever does; it just happens to be winter where those cities are situated.
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