2016 census. One step closer to the police state - Page 10

lazjen (Chris) · #**181** 05-08-2016, 11:26 AM

I know it's been mentioned, but they're expecting us to log in on the night and use their site. With all this controversy I would expect someone to do a DDOS attack on them at that time. Then I realised they've already set themselves up for it without the need of external malicious forces...

Slawomir (Suavi) · #**182** 05-08-2016, 04:38 PM

20 year from now, all will have a chip(s) implanted so there will be no need for census as it is now- we will have census 24/7.

el_draco (Rom) · #**183** 05-08-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Slawomir

20 year from now, all will have a chip(s) implanted so there will be no need for census as it is now- we will have census 24/7.

I plan to be dead and cremated well before then... middle finger raised as they light the torch!

AndrewJ · #**184** 05-08-2016, 05:13 PM

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20 year from now, all will have a chip(s) implanted so there will be no need for census

The US already approved this in a limited way over a decade ago, tho its good to see that in several states there now, laws have been enacted so you cannot be "forced" to have an implant.
Just google "Verichip" ( one of the originals ) or "Dangerousthings" ( a recent DIY implant mob ) to see what some businesses are trying to do today.
This is probably only the tip of the chipberg thats coming.

Andrew

glend (Glen) · #**185** 05-08-2016, 07:23 PM

They won't need implant chips, facial recognition systems will track your every movement. If you fly to the US your already in the system.

rally · #**186** 06-08-2016, 08:47 AM

Well, I just wrote a letter of complaint and also asking that the personal Name be made optional to the leader of the party that holds the Senate seat on my electorate.

How many others who also object to this have done so ?

In over 100 years the parliament, the people and the ABS have always interpreted the Census and Statistics Act as it was intended - to collect statistical information that could be enumerated, not personal identity information.
All previous democratic attempts to add personal identity information to the Census have failed in landslide rejection, but this time the ABS has on its own decided to force it on to the populace.
Privacy of our personal information is a fundamental right in this country.

xelasnave · #**187** 06-08-2016, 11:00 AM

I have not.
But good on you Rally.
If I did write I would send the letter ( Copies) to every politician, state and federal, government and opposition..... and I have done this in the past.
The idea is they all redirect the letter to the minister responsible. So he gets them coming in from all over.

xelasnave · #**188** 06-08-2016, 11:10 AM

This move may be trying to set up on line voting where the system would need a name.
Stuffing up the census is not a big deal but an election is a different matter. So the census would be a good way to see what problems could arise.
I think the original idea for a census was to work out how much tax you could raise.
That probably is not the case these days.
Alex

xelasnave · #**189** 06-08-2016, 11:16 AM

Mmmmm the only way you could have voting on line would be by linking a name it would seem.
So the system would know who you voted for.
Alex

lazjen (Chris) · #**190** 06-08-2016, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

Mmmmm the only way you could have voting on line would be by linking a name it would seem.
So the system would know who you voted for.
Alex

No, there are means to do online voting that do not have link the information together. It's possible to use forms of cryptography, etc to handle the voting process to know if you've voted to stop multiple votes. You can also verify the vote hasn't been tampered with and the actual vote "contents" itself can be used separately.

There's a difference between the authentication process and the encryption/protection of the information being collected.

AndrewJ · #**191** 06-08-2016, 12:43 PM

Gday Alex

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This move may be trying to set up on line voting where the system would need a name.

As an interim measure, they could always set up booths like they do now, but each one has a dedicated flatscreen in it.
You sign off at a desk on entry as per now and after that, its all electronic.
That way you keep the sausage sizzles, and last minute gate cronies, and the cost of the tablets etc would be more than offset by not needing to print, distribute, return and count paper ballots.
Also, would put Antony Green and his ilk out of jobs, as the count would be live.

Re true online voting, there was an interesting interview in the midday news, where the person running the senate count was saying how it was currently done, and the problems encountered.
First preference counts are done manually and then the rest of the ballot is scanned and done by computer ( which i didnt know ).
She constantly referred to how a manual cross check was still required, both on data entry and result tallies, as there are human errors involved, and more pertinently, she knew that software wasnt perfect and there could always be bugs in how different datasets could be processed.
At least one person seems to understand some of the realities.

Andrew

Stonius (Markus) · #**192** 06-08-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewJ

Also, would put Antony Green and his ilk out of jobs, as the count would be live.

I suspect they would not do running totals as it may influence people's votes if they know the way things are going in their electorate. But yes, it will go this way eventually, The problem is that it is makes electoral fraud more difficult to keep tabs on.

Markus

AndrewJ · #**193** 06-08-2016, 02:54 PM

Gday Markus

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I suspect they would not do running totals as it may influence people's votes

Agreed.
I was thinking more of removing the interminable drivel we currently get where all the "experts" get it wrong, and then we wait for weeks.
In this new world of instant data, someone like Eddie McGuire would come on after the news and say,
the winnnneeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssss
We'll tell you after this ad break.

Andrew

xelasnave · #**194** 06-08-2016, 04:18 PM

I can't remember where the following took place but I read about it and as I only read non fiction assume it has a factual base.
Anyways in this case the new leader was selected and then strangled until he confessed how long he intended to rule. When his time was up he was killed.
I don't know why they did it that way but somehow I see merit.
Alex

lazjen (Chris) · #**195** 06-08-2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonius

I suspect they would not do running totals as it may influence people's votes if they know the way things are going in their electorate. But yes, it will go this way eventually, The problem is that it is makes electoral fraud more difficult to keep tabs on.

Actually, if an electronic voting system becomes such that it's hard to commit fraud, there's no reason why most politicians can't be replaced and a direct voting system put in place to vote on every issue.

It's by no means simplistic thing to do or achieve, but it's the idea behind voteflux.org.

DarkArts · #**196** 07-08-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rally

Privacy of our personal information is a fundamental right in this country.

Absolutely agree.

Having said that, I just completed the Census online and the only thing I found objectionable was the name entry. Everything else was routine.

AndrewJ · #**197** 07-08-2016, 11:55 AM

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the only thing I found objectionable was the name entry.

I haven't received my paper copy yet, but are they asking for age, or true date of birth? If the latter, that makes cross matching almost as easy as name.

Andrew

DarkArts · #**198** 07-08-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewJ

I haven't received my paper copy yet, but are they asking for age, or true date of birth? If the latter, that makes cross matching almost as easy as name.

Andrew

You can enter either - I entered age (years only).

Kunama · #**199** 07-08-2016, 02:12 PM

At the risk of being subjected to all those awful things mentioned in this thread, I have submitted my census early.....

I hope they don't mind but my Tuesday night is reserved for JUNO and DAWN mission briefings at the Australian National University.....

leon · #**200** 07-08-2016, 02:30 PM

A paper form was put in our letter box and that was it.
I can do it online if I want, with the number supplied within this form,
but I have already filled it out and it is ready for posting.

I really cant see why so many have issues with this Census stuff.

I have put my name and other information on plenty of other government forms, one more wont really matter.

After applying for the pension and visiting Centerlink for instance, makes this Census form pretty basic.

Leon