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Old 01-10-2016, 08:05 PM
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The more I research scopes the more confusing it becomes.
What are the differences between a 150mm reflector with a 750mm tube and a 150mm reflector with a 1500mm tube, I know that the main difference will be the f/number, how much does it affect the magnification abilities of each scope and the imaging, observing abilities, is one better for observing and the other photography?
what would be the better all round scope a 150mm smith cassegrain or a 150mm newtonian reflector????
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Old 01-10-2016, 08:20 PM
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IMHO the best all round scope is the one you use most - and that's largely a matter of convenience.

Regarding SCT vs Newtonian vs refractor:

The f/10 SCT's are a jack-of-all-trades - able to do most things but not particularly good at anything. Their main advantage is a reasonable useful aperture in a very compact portable package,

Newtonians: The modern trend is ultra short scopes f/5 or less. These are basically "light buckets" with large aperture, best suited to deep sky objects (DSO) but not good at high magnifications (lunar and planetary, where you really do need a long focal length).

These take two forms: either dobsonians (an alt-az mount that goes up/down left/right and does not track the stars) for visual use, or bolt a Newtonian tube onto an equatorial mount if you are interested in astrophotography.

Pros: large aperture at low cost (bang per buck = aperture squared / price)

Cons: Probably have to realign the optics every time you set up. It doesn't look like "Ye Olde Telescope", the mirrors have to be cleaned and recoated periodically, and theres a pesky secondary mirror degrading the image quality.

Refractors: For those who are picky about image quality. I mean REALLY picky, and want to see nice perfect Airy disks around stars at high magnification.

Pros: Perfect images if you can afford an ED APO. Never have to align the optics. Cleaning is a doddle. And they look like "ye bloody big Olde Telescope" (if you can afford one of these http://www.apm-telescopes.de/en/onst...or-110-mm.html)

Cons: relatively small aperture. Very expensive in terms of $ per square mm of aperture. A suitable mount is expensive, because of the long tube.

There are a few exotics, too:

Maksutov Cassegrains: Typically f/10 to f/20, these are better optically than the Schmidt-Cassegrains but are also more expensive and cost more. These are best suited to those visual observers of lunar and planetary things. Pro: good a high magnification. Con: they don't do low power, at all.

Schiefspeiglers: These are really specialist telescopes, they only have high power, and maximum power. Suited to planetary observers ONLY.

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Old 01-10-2016, 08:31 PM
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Old 01-10-2016, 08:32 PM
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Old 01-10-2016, 09:06 PM
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The more I research scopes the more confusing it becomes.
What are the differences between a 150mm reflector with a 750mm tube and a 150mm reflector with a 1500mm tube, I know that the main difference will be the f/number, how much does it affect the magnification abilities of each scope and the imaging, observing abilities, is one better for observing and the other photography?
what would be the better all round scope a 150mm smith cassegrain or a 150mm newtonian reflector????
Some great comments by Wavytone, but for your specific questions: if the optics are good, then the 150mm f5 reflector you mention will probably give just as good a planetary (high power) view as the f10 version- but you need eyepieces of 1/2 the focal length that you would use in the f10 for the same magnification. (e.g.: a 6mm eyepiece in the 1500mm fl scope will give you 250x, but you will need a 3mm eyepiece in the 750mm scope for the same magnification.)
If you use the same eyepiece in each scope, the f5 will give you twice the true field of view, but at 1/2 the power- so is generally better for DSO's that cover wide fields. As an example, a 30mm eyepiece with a 60 degree apparent FOV will give you a view at 25x in the 750mm scope with a true FOV of 2.4 degrees. To get the same power and true field in the 1500mm scope you would need a 60mm, 60 degree apparent FOV eyepiece (I don't think they even exist: and even if one did exist it would need a much wider diameter focuser- but that is another story...)
The f5 will be a lot faster for AP, and again it will give you twice the FOV with the same camera attached as will an f10.
Eyepieces can be a bit problematic for the faster scopes: an f5 scope will give you a lot more coma than an f10, and you will need better quality eyepieces or a coma corrector to get a field that is sharp to the edge. An f10 scope is much more forgiving of eyepiece quality.
The other thing to consider is the length of the scope: this is where SCT's come into their own as they are very short for their focal length compared to the equivalent newtonian or refractor. The longer the scope, the better the mount you will need to ensure a steady view: an f5 scope or an SCT will have a shorter moment arm than the equivalent f10, and thus put less strain on the mount.

Hope that answers your questions.

All the best,

Dean

(PS: like Brian and Marc, I have one of each too!
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Old 01-10-2016, 10:53 PM
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Disagree.

The f/5 will have a secondary mirror sufficiently large to detract noticeably from the image quality.

Secondly, the maximum magnification will be about x1 per mm of aperture whereas a refractor can handle 1.5x to 2x per mm.
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Old 02-10-2016, 04:06 AM
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The more I research scopes the more confusing it becomes.
What are the differences between a 150mm reflector with a 750mm tube and a 150mm reflector with a 1500mm tube, I know that the main difference will be the f/number, how much does it affect the magnification abilities of each scope and the imaging, observing abilities, is one better for observing and the other photography?
what would be the better all round scope a 150mm smith cassegrain or a 150mm newtonian reflector????
Telescope Terms Dictionary
http://www.hioptic.com/knowledge/telescopes/index.htm

Telescope Basics - Eye on the Sky video series
http://www.eyesonthesky.com/Videos/TelescopeBasics.aspx


When I was looking for my first telescope I was confronted with the same flood of information. Here is how I break it down in the most unscientific way.

Shorter focal length, FL = wider field of view FOV, but lower magnification for any given eyepiece.

Longer FL = narrower field of view but higher mag for any given eyepiece.


I started with binoculars and LOVED the wide views but wanted more magnification. So when I got my first scope I wanted to maintain some of that wide view so I went to a short focal length scope. 400 mm.

My 10X50 binoculars gave me a 6 degree FOV. If I went to 15X70s I would have gotten higher mag and 4.4 degree FOV but they are hard to hold steady and good binocular mounts are expensive.

So I went for a 400 mm FL scope that gives me 15X and 3.4 degree FOV with a 26 mm plossl eyepiece. I still get a fairly wide view with rock steady image. And I can swap out the eyepieces to get higher magnifications, something I can't do in binoculars.

My 80 mm refractor is useful between 15X and about 160X depending on how bright the target is.


So, if you want wider views you go for shorter focal lengths. Many longer FL telescopes are limited to 1.5 degree FOV or less.

The same apertuere telescope with a 1500 mm FL, with that same 26 mm plossl eyepiece would deliver 57X and .9 degree FOV. So you only see a very small amount of sky.


You will sometimes hear people say that this scope is good for planets while this scope is good for deep sky. There are many factors that can contribute to that but part of it is the FOV vs. magnification delivered by the telescope. Planets only require a fairly small FOV but a lot of magnification.

Many deep space objects benefit from wider fields of view and not as much magnification.

Both short and long FL scopes can be used for both kinds of targets but one is better for one type and one is better for the other type. I have spent many evenings observing Jupiter and Saturn with my 400 mm scope and enjoyed it a lot at 120 - 150X.

Note that how much magnification you can use is limited by your aperture and often limited by atmospheric conditions. I have eyepieces for my 8 inch/203 mm Dobsonian that will give me over 500X but the atmosphere often limits me to 250X or less.

I hope that was helpful.


As for astrophotography, I am not an expert in this field but for the most part the main focus in that part of astronomy seems to be more around the mount that can track the sky than the OTA, optical tube assembly, what you would think of as the telescope. So, often you see big expensive mounts with relatively small OTA.


Then there is electronically assisted astronomy, an area I am just starting to dabble in, it seems that the shorter FL, lower focal ratio scopes on tracking mounts are preferred. I am setting up my 400 mm FL 80 mm aperture refractor Goto scope with a video eyepiece system called the Revolution Imager R2. That will be my EAA scope. My 8" Dobsonian, which does not track, will be for visual observation.

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Old 02-10-2016, 11:25 PM
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Thank you AEAJR,
that was very helpful
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