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Old 19-02-2010, 11:37 AM
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Thermals - what type???

Ok, looking to get some thermals to help keep me warm during those cold observing sessions.

Problem is, there are so many different types and materials available .... and lots of conflicting information.

I'd be using them in conditions like:
- Temp range likely to be 0~10 degrees C thereabouts
- not looking to cover sub zero freezing conditions
- mainly used in Victoria and surroundings, Snake Valley, etc

I have some basic questions like:
- what type of material (100% merino, merino blend, 100% poly, etc)
- are the good ones too good, making the wearer hot and sweaty if not freezing conditions

Any thoughts, comments, recommendations would be greatly appreciated

Thanks,
Paul
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Old 19-02-2010, 12:02 PM
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I made my own long johns out of polar fleece.
They work a treat.
Stick to the microfibres. Wool will be itchy.
Over top I wear a pair of waterproof snow trousers. The outer material is very tough, so I can be down on the ground, fiddling with the scope and not worry about getting wet from dew.
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Old 19-02-2010, 12:07 PM
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Good move for overnighters at Snake Valley!

I bought whatever was on special at Anaconda at the time I wanted them - I think I got the Polypropylene ones. Seem to work OK.

I see Anaconda have some on sale at present - a few different types:-

http://www.anaconda.com.au/Specials.aspx
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Old 19-02-2010, 08:20 PM
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I used to wear a pair of old ski pants (the kind that have a sort of bib & braces over the shoulders), a full ski jacket and woollen beanie - and this is in the blue mountains west of sydney.

The benefit was that at night in -6 degrees I was still so toasty and also so well padded that I could lie on the ground and have a snooze for 30 mins and not feel cold while waiting for a camera to take a shot. This was obviously in the days of film...

The trouble with thermal underwear is putting it on when you arrive at the observing site, and taking it off to drive home...
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Old 19-02-2010, 08:32 PM
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A few here use a freezer suit. I think it's a great idea.
http://www.aseliteworkwearanddesign....mages/FZOP.jpg
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Old 19-02-2010, 08:39 PM
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Give the Owl a go if you need to stay warm.

http://www.gtbastrowise.com.au/ .

Cheers Kev.
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Old 19-02-2010, 09:22 PM
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Hi Paul

Here are some of my thoughts based on some personal experience:

Polypropylene – felt rough, a little itchy, prone to static electricity build up and seemed to hang on to body odours even when washed, thin layer so not too bulky.

A modern wool blend – felt warm, no itches (surprised me!), felt nice against the skin, required special washing machine program, got decimated by moths, expensive, thin layer so not too bulky. No static.

Capilene (proprietary artificial material from Patagonia) – draped well, didn’t feel rough, stretchy, warm, wicks moisture away from body to outer surface of garment, expensive, thin layer so not too bulky. Less likely to produce static.

Polar fleece (a Helly Hansen bib-and-brace) – felt warm, no roughness, stays dry, a bit expensive, slightly bulky. Some static.

Some of the above gear goes back several years, so material technology may have improved thus rendering some of my findings obsolete.

My personal preference for cold astro camps where it will drop below 4 deg C is a freezer suit I purchased from GTB Owl (see Kev’s post). Mine is slightly over size as I don’t like restrictive clothing.

My personal preference for around 7 or 8 deg C is woollen thermals with ski pants and ski jacket.

When I first arrived from the UK I didn’t really feel the cold but after some 16 years, I’ve turned into a softie or my blood has thinned!

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Old 19-02-2010, 11:43 PM
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You chicken, it not cold down here in the Valley, or Ballarat for that matter.

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Old 20-02-2010, 02:16 AM
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Hi all!
On those chilly nights I wear a set of Bonds (cotton) thermals sold at Kmart, hooded track suit (which I wear in these conditions only), explorer socks (warm feet=warm body!), bib-and-brace snow pants, ski jacket, beanie/balaclava, fingerless gloves. The jacket and pants are one size larger for ease of movement and comfort and the big pockets keep the EP's dew-free.
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Old 20-02-2010, 10:46 AM
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In Armidale where it really does get cold by Australian standards I wear cheap bonds thermals under old ski pants. On the top I wear a jumper and shirt under my ski top and a beanie. For shoes I use ugg boots or apre ski boots depending on the amount of dew.
This means my ski clothes get more used than 1 week a year and it keeps me nice and warm.
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Old 20-02-2010, 01:43 PM
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Bloody hell astro-nutt, it is a wonder you can move at all with that kit on.

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Old 20-02-2010, 01:47 PM
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Middle of winter night in Snake Valley I can peak at five layers upper, three layers lower, mittens and two layers of gloves and fur-lined "flying helmet"! Handling eyepieces and typing on keyboards gets a bit tricky!
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Old 20-02-2010, 02:54 PM
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I also highly recommend the freezer suit as observing attire.
See http://www.hepworths.com.au/
See http://www.gtbastrowise.com.au

Before the freezer suit, I also use to use the layered approach including
thermals.

A small fraternity of observing friends began using the freezer suits quite some time
ago. They extolled their virtues to the rest of us and there were many a freezing
night when the rest of us would start to feel the cold and begin to fade when those
with the freezer suits kept perfectly warm indefinitely.

Then a couple of these friends bought us freezer suits as a gift one year and
we never looked back.

With a one piece freezer suit, it is not uncommon for many of us to then simply
have nothing underneath it except some shorts and a T-shirt even in sub-zero
temperatures. Only a few years ago at one of the South Pacific Star Parties
when it got cold, I remember chatting to some who had as many as eight layers
of clothing on yet still reported feeling cold. They were shocked, as their teeth
chattered, to learn that those wearing the freezer suits were not only comfortably
warm, but could pull down the zip to reveal just a thin T-shirt beneath.

The other advantage the suits have is that they are very fast to don and doff.
When most freezer suit owners turn up at an observing site these days, they
often begin the night by removing some clothes first before climbing into the
suit - the opposite to the layered approach.

Women often find the two-piece suits more convenient but they are not quite
as warm as the one-piece suits.

Certainly up here in Sydney with the ASNSW fraternity, most of the
experienced observers are the ones wearing the freezer suits but since Geoff
began distributing them at the star parties, they have become ubiquitous
among new observers as well.

Best Regards

Gary Kopff
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Old 24-02-2010, 12:23 PM
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Thermal is the start

I would advice a two piece thermal set. Don't buy one piece. Trust me it's handy.
Also: start at the bottom. BOOTS. if your feet are cold that's it you will slowly freeze up from the ground up. Make sure they are water resistant and have a good thick sole(preferably insulated). Don't skimp on this item as they will last for years and also handy for other uses. PS you can buy battery operated heater vests from place such as Rays Outdoors stores. They are handy too. StevenA
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Old 24-02-2010, 05:49 PM
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Bloody hell astro-nutt, it is a wonder you can move at all with that kit on.

Leon
Not as bad as you think
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Old 24-02-2010, 06:32 PM
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For astro work I have used both cotton and polypropylene thermals. Both are fine for astro work. If you are going to do any strenuous work in them, though, go the polypropylene. Cotton is lethal when wet (hypothermia). Despite being against everything the textiles books will probably tell you (unless they've finally updated) the polypropylene or wool thermals are the only solution that will still provide insulation when wet (sweaty) and the polyprop ones will wick moisture away from the skin better. (Just a little survival tip from my other life!)

Always layer your clothing. After thermals, the next most important option is a windstopper jacket - they are expensive but worth every cent. They look like polar fleece, but include a membrane to stop the wind while allowing enough ventilation to wick sweat away.

Then if you are going to be out in the zero to sub zero temps, the freezer suits/jackets/trousers and boots are the go.

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