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Old 12-08-2013, 05:50 PM
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Static electricity precautions

Of late I had some concerns about some possible adverse effects of static in the observatory....
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ghlight=static
The exact same thing happened again this weekend, again a very dry night, me in synthetic polar-fleece etc, nylon boat carpet in the obs..... seems a recipe for static build-up...

I've decided to try and antistatic the obs, and myself, looking at antistatic mats/grounding and even esd shoes.... Does anyone practice any antistatic precautions in their obs??
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:34 PM
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Unfortunately the Gemini 1 (if it is a is Gemini 1) is susceptible to ground loops created by differing ground potentials. Lets say using 2 different power supplies that have their grounds connected. I suspect any issue you see is more likely a ground loop issue.

Most modern switch-mode power supplies have a floating ground reference to real ground by a capacitor. Now connect 2 floating grounds together you can get a loop of current. For example the ground thru a computer USB/RS232 converter and your mount PSU may be causing a loop.

Couple this with the auto-guider port ground not being an actual ground, it is passes thru a resistor to ground, another suspect for ground loop issues with Gemini 1's. So I suspect it is a possible ground loop issue. Some users have al sorts of troubles others, like me, none.

Only real way around this is to use battery power.

Most good antistatic gear is ...expensive but I do admit, so is your equipment. Problem would be moving around can create static so you would need station earthing points.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:39 PM
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About all I do is not wear my Ugg boots in the obs. They have rubber soles and seem to generate static electricity. My freezer boots are OK though.

Static from the Ugg boots was just a nuisance until one occasion when I got a good zap off the mount, and then it refused to behave for the rest of the session. I had to shut the mount down without being able to park it, and lost all my EQMOD alignment points.

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Old 12-08-2013, 08:32 PM
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Would a ground loop only cause trouble when something was touched, ie by me?? I was wondering if I should ground the mount... would be no different to having a tripod sitting on damp grass??
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I've decided to try and antistatic the obs, and myself, looking at antistatic mats/grounding and even esd shoes
Hi Lee,

Based on the description you have provided, it will almost certainly be ESD phenomena.

In your instance, since you will have little control in being able to implement
countermeasures at the shielding or circuit level of your off-the-shelf gear,
the measures you outline of changing your shoes, clothes, mats, etc. in
the observatory would be the best approach.

Imagine if the metal part of the mount you touched had a yellow/green
wire attached to it that went to the protective earth.
When the discharge occurs, it has very high frequency components and as little as
2m of that cable will have an inductance of about 2000 ohms at 300MHz.

When the ESD pulse occurs, the real "ground" reference at that instance is the
metal part of the mount itself. It will quickly charge up to some fraction of the
original source voltage. The parasitic capacitance formed between
some metal parts of the mount and the ground on which it stands is likely to be
in the order of 26pF. In fact that capacitance formed in air is where the initial discharge
current will flow at 300MHz. By comparison it will take its sweet time to bleed down the
higher inductance path of our hypothetical green/yellow wire.

During some part of the discharge, it may make its way down I/O cables as a
common-mode voltage to some other piece of equipment and cause it to fail.
The classic ESD problem.

As you know, sometimes you don't even need to touch the conductive discharge point.
An arc will occur and the intensity of the electric field can be enough to disrupt
or damage a sensitive circuit.

Re-thinking the carpet and footwear is definitely the first thing to do.

Ground loops won't be the root culprit in this instance. If you have ever shuffled across
the carpet in slippers and touched the metal door knob on a wooden door and
felt and seen a spark, you can appreciate nothing much in the way of ground-loops
was occurring in that instance.
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Old 13-08-2013, 09:39 AM
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Thanks for your detailed reply Gary...
I was thinking that, with earthing the mount, that if it was grounded, and I was careful to ground myself prior to touching it (ESD shoes/mats/grounding point) this should stop ESD problems? I suppose that if problems persist then, I need to look elsewhere.... Would you agree?
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Was going to say put in a ground stake close to the obs but if the OPs power system is MEN (with single point earth neutral) then really this is not a good option.

Antistatic gear is available from RS & element14 or fleabay.

Still think multiple SMPSs are capable of causing potential differences between faux grounds but yes Gary is right if your moving around and then getting discharges ESD protection or minimisation will be on your agenda.

Simple things like ESD grounding mats (correctly grounded thru bleeder resistors) types of clothing, flooring etc. Funny enough we measured the military DPCU's and found them the lowest ESD generating clothing around! Even better than our clean-room smocks, clothing & shoes.
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Damn.... I threw away a bunch of DPCU/DPDU stuff a few years back!
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Thanks for your detailed reply Gary...
I was thinking that, with earthing the mount, that if it was grounded, and I was careful to ground myself prior to touching it (ESD shoes/mats/grounding point) this should stop ESD problems? I suppose that if problems persist then, I need to look elsewhere.... Would you agree?
Hi Lee,

You have to be careful when using the terms "earthing", "ground", "grounded",
"grounding", etc.

As you will be aware, electrostatic charge buildup can occur when two insulators with
different places on the triboelectric series are in close contact and then
quickly torn apart.

A classic example are the soles of your rubber boots coming into contact with
the carpet of the observatory floor and then being torn apart again as you
take steps. Your body acts as a capacitor and can build up charge with each
step. Some of that charge will leak back across stray capacitances on the same
rubber sole back to the carpet and some will dissipate with you coming into
contact with ionized air particles. However, despite these leakages,
you can quickly build yourself up to having several thousand volts potential and
when you touch or sometimes just get close to a metal object, a discharge occurs.

So one of the first things to consider is minimizing the chance of a static
charge buildup in the first place and one way of achieving that is to minimize
different insulators with different triboelectric scale rankings coming into close
contact and being torn apart again. In practical terms, that may simply mean
changing the carpet for different flooring, perhaps industrial rubber mats that
are a closer match for your rubber sole shoes.

In facilities manufacturing and handling electronics, we wear heel straps.
These tuck into the opening of the shoe where your foot goes at one end
and then wrap around to beneath the heel so they come into contact with the
flooring. If electrostatic charge is created as you walk across the floor, the
heel straps creates a path for the charge on your body to make its way back
to the floor.

In environments where antistatic flooring is in place, they are one
element to help control the problem of ESD. In the same environment, attempts
are often made to keep some critical metal surfaces equipotential by heavy
bonding between them and ESD table mats have cables that are connected to
the same reference point.

So a room where these surfaces are kept as equipotential as possible
is a good thing in creating an environment that is designed to minimize the
risk of ESD events.

However, and this is very important to appreciate, "grounding" conductive
objects in the observatory such as the mount is not in itself a cure for the adverse
effects of ESD.

For example, a visitor to the observatory wearing their new panda fur coat and
brandishing a rod made of amber which they insist on rubbing on the panda fur
will still create a charge and if they then touch the mount, whether it is
"grounded" or not, a discharge will still occur and they might still crash your computer.

If the mount were heavily bonded to ground using short, wide low-inductive braid,
it would still not prevent the discharge from occurring. However, it may divert
the discharge currents from flowing elsewhere, say into cables connected to
a camera on the mount.

The problem is, as I mentioned in my previous post, even if your mount were
connected to ground by a piece of wire of the types of diameters used in
household 240V wiring, given a choice of going down that wire or crossing an
air gap of a few picofarads capacitance, the initial part of the discharge will
choose the low capacitance airgap.

That is quite counterintuitive to many. Here we have a nice piece of low
resistance wire and over here we have an air gap of a few centimeters.
Which one will the current initially flow through? The problem is that the
initial part of the discharge has a rise time in the order of picoseconds.
When you do a Fourier analysis of that rising edge, that is going from the
time domain to the frequency domain, it becomes evident that much
of its energy is contained in high frequency regions. High frequency therefore
equates to capacitors having low capacitive reactance but inductors having
high inductive reactance. At high frequencies, currents want to follow the
path of least inductance. Our electrostatic discharge will happily sooner go across
the air gap rather than down our ground wire.

To bring this home further, you might have some piece of equipment, such as a
camera, sitting on a metal bench. Not even touching the metal bench but perhaps
a centimeter or so away there might be a metal filing cabinet. If you create
a discharge to the filing cabinet, it will readily traverse the air gap between it
and the metal bench where their capacitive coupling might only be a few picofarads.
From there, it might decide to go into the camera. The path such discharges take
is often dictated more by stray capacitances and apertures in equipment than
by the topology of where we might hope the current to go if we were to pull
out a multimeter and measure resistances at DC.

In practical terms, you don't necessarily want to go around having to wear a heal strap.
They are inconvenient to have to take on an off as you go back and forth to the
house and when they become dirty they become less effective. To those of us
who wear them in industrial and laboratory settings, it can also be socially awkward
if you forget to take it off and turn up to the restaurant still wearing one.
People stare. However, they are low cost and if you are prepared to go through
the discipline of putting them on when working in the observatory and taking them
off when leaving, they can be one effective countermeasure in the arsenal.

Replacing the carpet with rubber or antistatic may end up being sufficient to
mitigate the problem.

Grounding of metal objects in itself will not prevent discharge though low
inductive bonding can help keep metal surfaces equipotential and help divert
currents from flowing into places where you would prefer they don't go.

Even barring panda fur wearing, amber rod wielding visitors to the observatory may
not prevent all sources of electrostatic build-up. A classic documented example
are some office chairs. Sit in the cushion and then stand up. As the cushion returns to
its original shape, for a period lasting as long as ten seconds afterwards, internal
ESD events can occur within it and radiate as strong electromagnetic fields from
the chair's metal legs, enough to upset some electronic equipment.
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Old 13-08-2013, 02:50 PM
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Thanks again Gary....
I'm going to look around for some ESD matting for the floor (that stuff isn't cheap!), and some ESD shoes, and an antistatic mat for the desk too....
Visitors will just be banned.....

I wonder if the mysterious death of my CCD in May was from a zap???
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Thanks again Gary....
You are most welcome.

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I'm going to look around for some ESD matting for the floor (that stuff isn't cheap!),
It can be very expensive. Years ago I remember seeing the invoice for antistatic
flooring that went into a lab room we were using. It made the eyes water.

Though not anti-static flooring in any sense that would pass any audit, a lower
cost alternative that might do the trick are industrial rubber mats such as
these -
http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/M800
http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/M805

We use these not for anti-static protection but for flooring covering around
machinery such as a mill. They are comfortable to stand on for hours and
if you drop something it usually bounces rather than breaks. The little
holes in them are a bonus. Drop something small like screw and it doesn't
go far. It will end up in one of the holes rather than rolling away.

Remember, most static buildup occurs when insulators that are widely
separated on the triboelectric scale come into contact and get torn apart.
The industrial rubber mats might end up being closer on the scale to what ever
your footwear soles are made of.

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and some ESD shoes, and an antistatic mat for the desk too....
Visitors will just be banned.....
Very good.

Alternatively, invite guests on the requirement they put on a "bunny suit".
Either the Intel cleanroom type or the Playboy type, which ever will
derive you more amusement at the time.

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I wonder if the mysterious death of my CCD in May was from a zap???
Could well be. One of the problems with ESD is that it can chip away at the
I/O gates of a semiconductor device, causing a little damage each time.
Over time, after successive discharges, the part can fail. So it is one good
reason not to allow excessive levels of static build-up to occur in the first place.

Good luck!
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If I tie both the mount (probably one of the threads that hold the base plate on the pier) and some conductive flooring to the same ground point, then myself stay on the said conductive flooring, wearing ESD shoes, then I and the mount, and this equipment, should stay at the same potential, shouldn't we, and ESD disasters should be minimised.... Does this sound right?
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If I tie both the mount (probably one of the threads that hold the base plate on the pier) and some conductive flooring to the same ground point, then myself stay on the said conductive flooring, wearing ESD shoes, then I and the mount, and this equipment, should stay at the same potential, shouldn't we, and ESD disasters should be minimised.... Does this sound right?

Hi Lee,

This is correct.

You should identify one physical point which you can call the "ESD Common-Point Ground".
Your mount, any ESD protective flooring or mats, any metal bench tops should
be referred to it.

However, for safety purposes, each connection referred to it should be via a 1 MOhm
(i.e. 1 million ohms) current limiting resistor.
For example, a mat will have a strap with a 1MOhm resistor in series that goes to the
ESD Common-Point Ground. This is referred to as "soft grounding". So this is "Step 1".


For "Step 2" you should then bond the single ESD Common Point to your local
protective earth (i.e. the green and yellow wire).

For safety purposes, do not have any parallel paths that bypass the soft-ground
connection.

It is important in the above that you do "Step 1" first. Then you do "Step 2".
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Hi Lee,

if you want to get fancy, having followed the above, you can print out this symbol and
stick it next to your ESD Common-Point Ground -
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:...und_Symbol.svg

This is the ANSI ESD S8.1-1993 ESD Common-point ground symbol.
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Thanks, that's all great info, and a big help Gary....
So the common point ground connects to earth of the 240V supply?

I will print that symbol too....
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Thanks, that's all great info, and a big help Gary....
So the common point ground connects to earth of the 240V supply?

I will print that symbol too....
That is correct. At one point keeping the resistance as low as possible (i.e. less than 1
Ohm).

Should fault currents ever run through the "hard" protective ground, the 1 M Ohm
resistors limit current flow through any part of the body that happens to be touching
a soft-grounded ESD item to the point of being beneath perceptible.

The same technique is employed in electronic manufacturing and handling facilities
throughout the world.
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Thumbs up

So far so good....
Yesterday I installed an anti-static mat on the desk, and one on the floor near scope, and bonded a cable to a pier thread (soldered an inline 1M resistor in this cable). Installed a little busbar in a wall cavity for the cables from these items to terminate on as the common-point ground, and tied in the safety earth.
As an interim measure while I wait for some ESD shoes to arrive from ebay, I wore an antistatic wrist band too.

No problems..... I tried to recreate the problems of past, couldn't..... fingers crossed it will stay this way!
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