Alternate medicine etc etc

[blindman]

Maybe you should see Dallas Buyers Club.
Is Dallas Buyers Club a true story?

The film is based on the real life of Ron Woodroof, a patient of HIV and AIDS, who was the subject of a lengthy 1992 article in The Dallas Morning News written by journalist and author Bill Minutaglio.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by blindman

Maybe you should see Dallas Buyers Club.
Is Dallas Buyers Club a true story?

The film is based on the real life of Ron Woodroof, a patient of HIV and AIDS, who was the subject of a lengthy 1992 article in The Dallas Morning News written by journalist and author Bill Minutaglio.

Every movie I see I ask is it a true story

Well of course they must be true...why would a script writer make it up? And even if its based on a true story they wouldnt fudge any facts as that is against the script writers code ...you know they just dont change things a little to make the true story more true.

Why would they?

Mind you I see so few movies because I have this thing where I think all fiction should be banned because ultimately it destroys the minds of those who watch it and leaves them somewhat unable to distinguish between reality and fantasy and less able to recognise some of the gross BS woven into our society and treated as fact.

I suppose the question to ask of alternative medicine that "works" is...if it is so effective and cures folk better than other fancy store bought medicine approved by da govmint den why dont some drug company steal the unpattented idea and sell it themselves and if da govmint "ban" it why? does it pose a risk or is da govmint just trying to protect all da foney drugs big farmer are selling...and of course you will discover a big conspiracy where the govmint keep the good drugs and are exercising their plan to put the people in concentration camps...and da govmint is a corporation and aint real anyways....

Actually I do wonder why the big drug companys havent stolen old mates $29-95 cancer cure and offed him..they could make it for less and sell it for more.

I dont know but if something works it should pass any test you could think...

And why wont they give these smart alternative medicine folk university degrees? Cause they are scared of them ..thats why.

Its like all these folk who can find water with a stick...whats wrong with the stick..never works to claim prize money offered for a working stick...dont you know these magic sticks turn off if folk use them to win money

The trouble is there are so many people who prefer make believe to reality, who believe the unbelievable and shun the proven...

Alex

[xelasnave]

Every Disease is curable, but not all persons will be Curable" [Because they dont want to be cured.

Let us examine what we have here as it is so representative of the problem that alternative folk indulge with total ignorance as to what they are actually doing.

So what we have, as we get so often, is some one making a catchy little comment that causes our fools turn to each other and say " that sounds rather clever lets call that "off the top of the head, unsupported, unevidenced , generalisation" true and an established fact....

They just accept it because it sounds cute...that is what they dont get...do they ask..is this true? do they ask..has this been tested? do they ask ...what supporting facts justify such a statement?...well no...the sky is falling.. yes the sky is falling but does anyone of them look to see if the sky is falling...well of course they dont..they now have their clever little saying which they embrase as wisdom and fact all in one and armed with this they seek to destroy the credibility of established science and medicine...

Well having made one of the cute little "the sky is falling claims" let me ask ...Can you prove it? Do you have anything more than can be paralleled to the bleat of a goat?


Can you perhaps present a few cases where we can see just how your bleat is evidenced...and even now these folk wont understand my point I expect...

Anyways let me try my hand at saying something clever and profound that folk can live by...

mmmm...I have it...

You cant get hurt by a falling piano if it does not
fall on you...

wow a gem on my first try...

how clever, how profound...its a winner for sure...and feel free to use it folks...I always knew I was a genius and that proves it...

I do hate quotes as well... there are so many...like "If it does not kill you it makes you stronger"...really ..and no one can think of something that proves the opposite???

Try an operation that removes a leg or a lung ..but it sounds so cute...

"a cat that sits on a hot stove will never sit on a cold one either"...prove it have you even tried..no it sounds cute that makes it profound and fact all at once.

But of course science is beyond the unintelligent and so they talk their nonsense and they are not even good at that but in their ignorance they must invent conspiracies and BS quotes to shore up their lack of substance.

If only they could stop and think...either one will do
Alex

[JA]

Originally Posted by Sunfish

True. Like digitalis. However, you can spend a hundred years overdosing and killing before a scientist works out what is in it , how it works and guarantees the dose and contents or that the compound and it’s additives will not conflict with your life saving medications.

If you want to live under 19th century pharmacy and also take prescription medication, buyer beware. It is hard enough to control corporate advertising of known and studied drug compounds without “ supplements” or “alternatives”.

Originally Posted by Camelopardalis

The difference is, those that are approved medicines have to have undergone clinical trials to prove with statistical significance that they do what they say they do, and thus have the 'R' registration number on the pack.

Natural 'therapies' can get away with saying anything they want, as there is nobody policing their BS.

I'm not saying that 'nature' doesn't have a lot of secrets, but scooping up mud or randomly throwing some fancy ingredients does not a medicine make.

100% Ray & Dunk ... or do both of you make it 200%? True that I wasn't advocating drying one's own Foxglove leaves or DIYing Penicillin or the like . There clearly needs to be certain scientific rigour applied to the research and testing of medicines prior their certification and registration for use.

Best
JA

[JohnF (John)]

A conventional Mainstream University, Southern Cross University at Lismore offers courses in Natural Therapies, for those who want to become Naturapaths.


https://www.scu.edu.au/study-at-scu/health/naturopathy/


In Europe especially Germany, etc., Medical Doctors do Post Graduate courses in Live Blood Analysis.


In California Seventh-day Adventists outlive the General Population by 8.9 extra years according to Statistics published in the Medical Journals. These Seventh-day Adventists get much less Cancer, etc.



Most, but not all Seventh-day Adventists are Vegetarian, and follow the NEWSTART principals.


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30351406


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11434797/


https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/371/bmj.m4141.full.pdf



https://www.bluezones.com/exploratio...a-california/#






When I studied the Histology Subject of the Pathology Technician's Higher Certificate [in the early 1980s] The Professor from Westmead Hospital who taught us told the Class that their is a definite link between diet and cancer.


So not all Naturapathic ideas are rubbish.

[JohnF (John)]

Many diseases are Psychosomatic. Here is a Britannica Article.


https://www.britannica.com/science/p...matic-disorder


So that statement that "all diseases can be cured, but not every person can be cured" etc., has a basis at least in these Psychosomatic diseases.

[xelasnave]

John
There may be many good ideas etc in alternative stuff but how do you know what is valid and what is not and the answer is a very loud " you dont know"...
Does it not seem reasonable that if something works that it will have no trouble at all meeting any requirement set by mainstream and if it can not you have nothing.
Even with all that is in place with mainstream you get folk slip thru somehow that should not and so how does it go when you have absolutely no control or testing...you cant just go on hearsay..that is the point.

Alex

[vlazg (George)]

From Wikipedia ( not the best source but in this case, accurate)

Naturopathy
Alternative medicine
Old homeopathic remedy, Hepar sulph.
A homeopathic preparation of Hepar sulph – homeopathy can be offered as part of naturopathic treatment.[1]
Claims "Nature Cure"
Related fields Alternative medicine
Year proposed early 20th century
Original proponents Benedict Lust; Sebastian Kneipp
MeSH D009324
See also Humorism, heroic medicine, Vitalism
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Naturopathy or naturopathic medicine is a form of alternative medicine that employs an array of pseudoscientific practices branded as "natural", "non-invasive", or promoting "self-healing". The ideology and methods of naturopathy are based on vitalism and folk medicine, rather than evidence-based medicine (EBM).[2] Naturopathic practitioners generally recommend against following modern medical practices, including but not limited to medical testing, drugs, vaccinations, and surgery.[3][4][5][6] Instead, naturopathic practice relies on unscientific notions, often leading naturopaths to diagnoses and treatments that have no factual merit.[7][8]

Naturopathy is considered by the medical profession to be ineffective and harmful, raising ethical issues about its practice.[7][9][10] In addition to condemnations and criticism from the medical community, such as the American Cancer Society,[11] naturopaths have repeatedly been denounced as and accused of being charlatans and practicing quackery.

[xelasnave]

On the other hand I recall a chap ,Baker??, trying to get mainstream to accept that stomach ulcers were caused by a germ and not "stress" which was the mainstream belief...he could not get anywhere and resorted to "infecting" himself and then showing that his cure worked...an interesting story and one that deserves a movie rather than any of the made up stuff that unfortunately passes for legitimate entertainment. What one can gleen from that story was the "Specialists" did not want a bar of it...understandable I guess..you spend your life believing in what you believe in and become heavily invested in that belief you will oppose anything that tells you that you are wrong....
Still I really doubt that the $29-95 a bottle cancer cure has much of a chance really...moreover looking at cancer cures it seems to me no one knows...mixed results is the common denominator.
I suppose the important question, besides..what is the meaning of life...is why oh why do we have fatal diseases ...I mean what can that question answer?
Alex

[vlazg (George)]

I suppose the important question, besides..what is the meaning of life...is why oh why do we have fatal diseases ...I mean what can that question answer?
Alex[/QUOTE]

The purpose of life is to find your specific talent and the meaning of life is to use it without harming others

[xelasnave]

Yes but my question related to the meaning of life not that of purpose

If you cant think what the question can answer perhaps you need to think a little more or a great deal more.

But I can say this much it is one of those things that if you dont know where I am going I really dont want to take you there.
Just remember..when the Sun sets in the saucer of milk the cat will sing to the cuckoo clock.
Alex

[LewisM]

Black Salve - that old proven dangerous nugget eh. It’s funny because when I was presenting my research (B. Sc Microbiology major, Medical Microbiology minor - all verifiable), another team was presenting their 5 year study on Black Salve. The crux of the result was essentially concluded as pure dangerous pseudoscience of no medical benefit or legitimate use.

Wikipedia even covers it - noted as listed as dangerous by the US FDA and should not be used. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_salve

[JohnF (John)]

Originally Posted by LewisM

Black Salve - that old proven dangerous nugget eh. It’s funny because when I was presenting my research (B. Sc Microbiology major, Medical Microbiology minor - all verifiable), another team was presenting their 5 year study on Black Salve. The crux of the result was essentially concluded as pure dangerous pseudoscience of no medical benefit or legitimate use.

Wikipedia even covers it - noted as listed as dangerous by the US FDA and should not be used. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_salve

I successfully used it and met several others who cured their cancers with black salve. So you may say it is dangerous but we will continue using it. Look at the side effects of the drugs that are given for Melanoma.


It got rid of my skin cancer.

[xelasnave]

Sorry George only now noticed your post no 28.
Good stuff.
Alternative folk have no appreciation of the need for testing and evidence...but if you read about it on the net really what more proof do you need or if someone in your church tells you what more could you need.

I guess I am just old fashion but I think that if someone makes a claim then they must support that claim with evidence...you know like it goes in our law courts...I would love to see some of these alternative folk before a court and tried for a serious crime using their methods of validation...then they may get some small appreciation as to why real evidence is necessary...and thinking about it all that applies to the alternative crew is in effect the same mentality present in a lynching mob...devoid of a rational approach and guided by mere belief.
I have been studying, looking at youtube videos, on Molecular Biology, real lectures from real universities which is just so wonderful...but what you realise is these folk are so far above any of these alternate folk that the gap could not be measured...and these alternate folk delude themselves that they are in the same league..its laughable...it took me many lectures before I even started to understand anything...my daughter could not get thru one...heck it just happens that others do...and spend many years studying ..you know the real doctors and scientists..really what does that tell you.

Anyways hunt down these frauds and stop them. They cause real damage and they con people...worse than stealing in my view yet they are let go... shut down their sites tattoe their foreheads with warnings ...
Alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by JohnF

I successfully used it and met several others who cured their cancers with black salve. So you may say it is dangerous but we will continue using it. Look at the side effects of the drugs that are given for Melanoma.


It got rid of my skin cancer.

Prove it..that is simple enough..prove it...you applied it, it went and so you now believe it worked but all you have is a belief ... If it did work you need more than one case and one person's belief that it worked ... And if it does work why is it not embraced by the medical profession?

Alex

[LewisM]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Prove it..that is simple enough..prove it...you applied it, it went and so you now believe it worked but all you have is a belief ... If it did work you need more than one case and one person's belief that it worked ... And if it does work why is it not embraced by the medical profession?

Alex

Spot on. It's been researched professionally independently and officially and it has been found to not only be vehemently not recommended, but overwhelmingly dangerous. It induces epithelial and dermal cell death (malignant and benign) and causes scarification of the tissue. It is also known NOT to get to the underlying cause of the melanoma and spreading and certain metastases can occur requiring REAL medicine to resolve.

I guess next these quacks will recommend somehow inserting it up to the prostate to cure prostate cancer... be interesting what necrosis occurs there...

[glend (Glen)]

Originally Posted by LewisM

Spot on...... It is also known NOT to get to the underlying cause of the melanoma and spreading and certain metastases can occur requiring REAL medicine to resolve.

Having had a melanoma I know exactly how deep, and wide, margin removal has to go, and have the scar to prove it.

https://www.melanoma.org.au/research...oma-redefined/

Perhaps the area around Nimbin is subject to different reality.

[LewisM]

Originally Posted by glend

Having had a melanoma I know exactly how deep, and wide, margin removal has to go, and have the scar to prove it.

https://www.melanoma.org.au/research...oma-redefined/

Perhaps the area around Nimbin is subject to different reality.

Look at the nose in the Wikipedia article about the Black Plague...errr....salve Glen - considering half his nose died and rotted off, I reckon he got the edge...in a dramatic abhorrent way Poor guy. Fiendishly gruesome pictures to look at.

[JohnF (John)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Prove it..that is simple enough..prove it...you applied it, it went and so you now believe it worked but all you have is a belief ... If it did work you need more than one case and one person's belief that it worked ... And if it does work why is it not embraced by the medical profession?

Alex

Originally Posted by LewisM

Spot on. It's been researched professionally independently and officially and it has been found to not only be vehemently not recommended, but overwhelmingly dangerous. It induces epithelial and dermal cell death (malignant and benign) and causes scarification of the tissue. It is also known NOT to get to the underlying cause of the melanoma and spreading and certain metastases can occur requiring REAL medicine to resolve.

I guess next these quacks will recommend somehow inserting it up to the prostate to cure prostate cancer... be interesting what necrosis occurs there...

Originally Posted by glend

Having had a melanoma I know exactly how deep, and wide, margin removal has to go, and have the scar to prove it.

https://www.melanoma.org.au/research...oma-redefined/

Perhaps the area around Nimbin is subject to different reality.

Originally Posted by LewisM

Look at the nose in the Wikipedia article about the Black Plague...errr....salve Glen - considering half his nose died and rotted off, I reckon he got the edge...in a dramatic abhorrent way Poor guy. Fiendishly gruesome pictures to look at.

I live ne
Ar Nimbin, but the Black Salve was done at Tweed Heads. And have met a number who say it works. Since big pharma cant stop people prodicing it, they wAnt it banned and only what they produce used.

Since I worked with doctors I know a bit about what goes on. Vor example one Pathology firmoffered Dr. G a 2 million dollar interest free loan to sent all his Pathology to their Lab. That was back inthe earLy 1980s.

[JohnF (John)]

By the way black Salleft a huge hole in my back where the cancef was, but it healed up. That who.e was arlund 30mm diameter and 13mm deep. But it is now gone except for a scar. And i would not use it internally for my Proxtrate Cancer.