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Old 09-01-2012, 12:23 PM
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Kev,

All government departments have to adhere to strict IT security policies.

Much like our work PCs have restricted access to the Internet, and, even then, everything is monitored. Can't install software unless it's approved, and, so on and so forth.

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Actually not quite correct in all Govt Dept's maybe Federal but State at least in WA this does not apply.

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Old 09-01-2012, 01:26 PM
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Apple, Orange, Blackberry...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
That is so funny peter.
Still laughing.

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Old 09-01-2012, 06:46 PM
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I know so many people (me included who have upgraded PC every year or two (extra RAM here, bigger HDD there), but I also know Mac Users (also me included) who have had the same stable Mac for 3-4 years without any upgrades and it still runs the same as it did from day one.

I'm spent.
Wonderful true statement Stephen, but just thinkabout what you have posted. Microsoft, upgrade seem very pertinent words. Yes a microsoft PC can be upgraded and it can be done by the owner for very realistic cost. Apple well we will say no more other than bring your check book or credit card.
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Old 09-01-2012, 06:50 PM
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Haven't had anything more than a quick browse of the site for a while now only to see this rubbish. Getting clearer why I switched to cloudy nights.

Here's another exercise in futility: for all the arguments on this mind-numbing thread, substitute Apple for Muslim and Windows for Christian.

Grow up idiots.
The signature says it all. A few front teeth missing?
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Oh jjj you`d better hide....

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Now I have something to truely complain about with Apple.

My son inherited my wifes 3GS after I upgrade her to a 4S. To check if the phone was SIM locked to Optus I inserted my Telstra SIM card from my non-iphone. Everything worked OK, so I removed my SIM card.

Roll forward 24 hrs, my wife tries to send me an SMS, and complains that I dont respond. I inform and show that I never got the message. She tells me that there is something wrong with my phone as it says Delivered on her iPhone.

I send her an SMS and she receives it fine. She replies and it doesnt come through on my phone. "See, there is a problem with your phone" she says.

I investigate further by sending myself and SMS and using and external SMS gateway to to send myself SMS messages which all work fine.

Roll forward another 24hrs, conducting more tests with HER iPhone to isolate the problem. I send myself and SMS from her iPhone, PING, I hear a noise, check my phone, no SMS, strange. Send another SMS, PING, I hear a noise again, not my phone, where is the noise coming from?

Hunt around and happen to pickup my sons 3GS and see a string on SMS messages on his screen.

:ques tion:

So now comes the hard part, why the hell are SMS sent to my phone number truning up on his iPhone... without a SIM card in it? Then to make it worse why can he send messages without a SIM card?

The answer lies in Apples iMessage, which impersonates SMS as its default protocol, when you send a message Apple records your number and redirects SMS via its iMessage services. Once they have as an iPhone user it is close to impossible to get away from it.

You cant remove the association without putting another SIm card in there or doing a factory reset on the phone.

Currently arguing with Apple as to why I have to install iTunes on my PC to recover their problem.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:29 PM
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Trevor, it is the way it is! Unfortunately But, ask yourself this, despite all the hassle with Apple, would you swap?

I have had enormous problems with iTunes, at present, and slowly sorting them out. Interestingly, when I backed up, iTunes, for some reason, didn't back up "all" songs or the playlists. Don't know why, don't really care, BUT, it is a pain having to redo it all. Oh well, a good opportunity for a change, I guess.

All that just because I did an update, NEVER AGAIN!

Despite this, I just love my iPod (and its applications) and I am waiting patiently for the next iteration of the iPad, so that I can fully move to digital magazines

Yes, I hear you say, he must be crazy! Probably am! I talk to myself and that is the first sign of madness, the second sign is arguing with yourself, and third and final sign is losing the argument! Haven't lost an argument with myself ...yet!!!
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:32 PM
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iMessage is win.

Free text, images, etc. through the cloud, bypassing your carrier.

I'm certainly not going to complain about a free service.

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Old 10-01-2012, 06:36 PM
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Don't forget Viber!! Free phone calls too.
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After an hour on the phone and 2 Apple engineers later, they were able to sort of solve it.

I had to place my SIM card back into my sons 3GS, then enable iMessage, then send an iMessage, then disable iMessage, then remove my SIM from 3GS, place my SIM in my non-iphone device, then get an iPhone to send me an SMS, so that it unregisters my number from the iMessage service.

iMessage might appear to be free, but so is email, you are just using your data allowance. You are not sending SMS.

I put iMessage into the same bucket as facetime, where Apple seems to think they invented video calling from a phone too.

Just remember once you are Apple'd you are always Apple'd!

Now I am glad I chose Android, at least I "own" my phone and my destiny.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:01 PM
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iMessage is win.

Free text, images, etc. through the cloud, bypassing your carrier.

I'm certainly not going to complain about a free service.

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Not bypassing your carrier, Apple is now your carrier, no bypassing them.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:15 PM
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Don't forget Viber!! Free phone calls too.
Not free, using data you have already paid for.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:21 PM
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Not bypassing your carrier, Apple is now your carrier, no bypassing them.
And your problem with that is, just what Trevor? They provide it as a free service, so I don't see what your problem is. Geez, what a beat-up. Blackberry have done it for years (BMS) and now Google are getting into the act too - as are several other messaging service providers. At least iMessage has some smarts to it. I can tell when a message has been delivered in real time - I get a "delivered" indicator which is incredibly reassuring for business. You don't get that with SMS and you certainly don't get that with with email. If you're on an 802.11 connection then it goes via that path rather than 3G - effectively cutting out the carrier as Humayun correctly pointed out. Apple aren't the "carrier", so stop saying the they are. Like the rest of these services, they are merely the parking station attendants.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:23 PM
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Not free, using data you have already paid for.
Again - clarify! What data? Your data over 3G allowance? Not if you're at home, which is where Nettie usually uses hers from, and I from my office. Gee whizz... a HUUUUUGE amount out of my 200GB allowance
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:38 PM
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I'm with you Chris. Everyone seems to always want to beat up whatever technology just happens to be causing issues. ALL technology is extremely complex and "things" will go wrong, just as it has with my iTunes. It don't work, so I fix it. Simple, although still a pain. But, I certainly wouldn't give up my Apple products!

Despite all the complaints, from many sources, Apple is still doing very well, and there is a reason for that, they make amazing products!
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:41 PM
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And your problem with that is, just what Trevor? They provide it as a free service, so I don't see what your problem is. Geez, what a beat-up. Blackberry have done it for years (BMS) and now Google are getting into the act too - as are several other messaging service providers. At least iMessage has some smarts to it. I can tell when a message has been delivered in real time - I get a "delivered" indicator which is incredibly reassuring for business. You don't get that with SMS and you certainly don't get that with with email. If you're on an 802.11 connection then it goes via that path rather than 3G - effectively cutting out the carrier as Humayun correctly pointed out. Apple aren't the "carrier", so stop saying the they are. Like the rest of these services, they are merely the parking station attendants.
I am not saying it is right or wrong, just telling the truth.

1) You haven't bypassed a carrier, you still use your ISP/Telco to move data to Apple servers for forward delivery. So you still have 2 carriers to deal with.
2) It is not free, whether you use 3G,home ISP, work connection, you have still paid for your service and are just using your entitlement. Certainly not Free unless you go and sit in Macca's or Starbucks.

What I was upset about is Apple assuming control of my mobile phone number with consent, to use as an indentity for their iMessage service.

For 3 days anyone with an iPhone who has used iMessage has been unable to send SMS messages to me and has instead been sending iMessages to my sons iPhone.

This has actually been flagged as a security issue with Apple before, but in Apple fashion, it is not a problem. If you get your iPhone stolen and you hadn't locked it, even though you ring your carrier and get them to disable the SIM, the offender can still send iMessages on your behalf and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Apple cannot disable it from their services, it can only be disabled from the rogue device. Identity Theft!
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After an hour on the phone and 2 Apple engineers later, they were able to sort of solve it.

I had to place my SIM card back into my sons 3GS, then enable iMessage, then send an iMessage, then disable iMessage, then remove my SIM from 3GS, place my SIM in my non-iphone device, then get an iPhone to send me an SMS, so that it unregisters my number .

I put iMessage into the same bucket as facetime, where Apple seems to think they invented video calling from a phone too.

Just remember once you are Apple'd you are always Apple'd!

Now I am glad I chose Android, at least I "own" my phone and my destiny.
That's a brilliant example of what pisses ppl off. In most cases it's not the "technology" or even bugs. A lot of Apple haters love their idevices, many in this thread including me. It's the overwhelming arrogance in up front non disclosure of control issues (media,data etc) and the utter lack of redably available assistance in the form of simple help files on the device for instance Every problem one has on apple device is an absolute ****fight.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:57 PM
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"Free" refers to the cost that is otherwise charged by your phone carrier per SMS message - data is always consumed - no matter what the situation.

THere are numerous mentions of this bug - and it's only a bug. I would hope that Apple are addressing this in the up-coming iOS v5.1 due in a few days.

Until then, there are immediate workarounds - a pain maybe, but doable:

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/12/...-annoying-fix/

Lock your SIM. Not hard.



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I am not saying it is right or wrong, just telling the truth.

1) You haven't bypassed a carrier, you still use your ISP/Telco to move data to Apple servers for forward delivery. So you still have 2 carriers to deal with.
2) It is not free, whether you use 3G,home ISP, work connection, you have still paid for your service and are just using your entitlement. Certainly not Free unless you go and sit in Macca's or Starbucks.

What I was upset about is Apple assuming control of my mobile phone number with consent, to use as an indentity for their iMessage service.

For 3 days anyone with an iPhone who has used iMessage has been unable to send SMS messages to me and has instead been sending iMessages to my sons iPhone.

This has actually been flagged as a security issue with Apple before, but in Apple fashion, it is not a problem. If you get your iPhone stolen and you hadn't locked it, even though you ring your carrier and get them to disable the SIM, the offender can still send iMessages on your behalf and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Apple cannot disable it from their services, it can only be disabled from the rogue device. Identity Theft!
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