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[CoombellKid]

Originally Posted by madtuna

Phil!

It's not just the lack of compassion, it's the labelling 28.36% of this forums users idiots, week willed, drug abusers etc...
Due to the rules of this forum and the fact that I like it here and don't wish to be banned, I'll refrain from labelling him something appropriate

Here! Here! ... but then you always get the self-rightous types within a
group.

regards,CS

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

Smoking isn't a habit, it's a physical addiction.
If was just a habit, eg nail biting, we'd be able to quit anytime. No withdrawals

[Omaroo (Chris Malikoff)]

Originally Posted by madtuna

Phil!

It's not just the lack of compassion, it's the labelling 28.36% of this forums users idiots, weak willed, drug abusers etc...
Due to the rules of this forum and the fact that I like it here and don't wish to be banned, I'll refrain from labelling him something appropriate

Another here.

Hey Ian - give us your father in law's number - I think we'd all get along with him.

[CoombellKid]

Originally Posted by astroron

Doug, the fact that it costs millions of dollars in medical bills to the tax payer
negates your 50%+tax on everything.
Ron

Actually Ron, a few years ago when the anti-smoking lobby tried to throw
that arguement out there... something like $1.5 billion they were saying.
Someone in the tax department said well... we made near $5 billion in
tax on it.... so it's kinda paying for itself. Funny how you dont hear about
that anymore eh'.

An interesting article in the SMH a couple of days back regarding the
banning of smoking in pubs and clubs in NSW, since it's introduction there
has been a 6% increase in people taking it up.... I wonder if mortgage
stress has something to do with that.

regards,CS

[GrahamL]

Only 28.36% .... I thought there was more of us than that !!!

I read a good article a while back regarding people makeing changes in there lives ..I thought a good point was made by the writer in that a very common thing in all of us we are ALL very self indulgent .. we know something isn't doing us any good .. but still make excuses and aportion blame elsewhere for what we do and keep right on doing it
As mentioned earlier the few people I know whose smokeing has directly
put there life in danger changed there ways in a second ..good luck to all who make the choice to give em up .. hope it works out .. well .. rob i'll have to bum a fag off ya next time i'm out ..i should have one a year to make sure i'm not missing anything

Lighten up a little phil and Ian .. takeing personal swipes at and around each other stirs up a lot of bother Imo .


cheers graham

[PCH (Paul)]

Originally Posted by CoombellKid

What amazes me is government after government allows the sale of
ciggerettes. Purly for the amount of tax they get from it, but on the
other hand spend millions on advertising against it. We all know it's
harmful, the government keeps telling us, perhaps smokers should
take a class action against the government, regardless whether you
think it's your choice to smoke or not. It's also the government
choice to allow the sale of it. Just imagine James Hardy standing
in every corner shop handing out asbestos. The government is
playing on the addiction of people who cant or wont control it
by themselves, kinda makes the government part dealer in dangerous
drugs.

regards,CS

Rob,

I guess, going back to Roman days, our leaders have to appeal to 'the MOB'. If the masses are displeased you have anarchy. It appeals to the masses to be allowed to smoke if they so wish, and we just pick up the treatment bill for them and generally don't make too much fuss.

Equally, it appeals to the masses not to allow any one (capitalist ba*t*rd money making) business such as James Hardy to inflict these similar diseases on us. That's why the government has to act to stop james Hardy, but is happy to let us keep killing ourselves ! Both things please us generally speaking.

So, the Romans said it first, and we've been doing it ever since - "At all costs, we must please the Mob !"

Cheers,

[CoombellKid]

Originally Posted by nightstalker

rob i'll have to bum a fag off ya next time i'm out ..i should have one a year to make sure i'm not missing anything

cheers graham

Well I might not give you one . Actually as disgusting as it is I enjoy
a ciggerette. I smoke a pouch of baccy each week, cost me about $23
per week. But I do know I dont like the health side of things. But the
single most thing that has got me thinking and it cuts harder than the
addiction, the enjoyment and the not enjoyment, the always debating
in your head that you know you should kick it... but hell I'll have another
fag and think about it. That single most thing for me right now is my
7 yr old telling me "daddy I dont want you to smoke anymore" every time
those adds come on TV. When ya little bloke tells you that looking you
right in the eye, that effects me. And to tell you the truth I know I
wont be smoking for to much longer because of that, I feel to guilty
and like I'm letting my little bloke down every time I lit up.

So those adds can work in an indirect way

regards,CS

[Ian Robinson]

Originally Posted by luckyphil

Didn't hit close to home at all. If you read my post you would have seen I am a non smoker. My objection is the complete lack of compassion you show. People like yourself are definitly an excuse for retrospective abortion. The world would be a better place without you. You must lead a very sheltered life as you cannot go out anywhere in case you run into a not so perfect like yourself. You are showing signs of becoming a self centered egotist. Enjoy your private life.

Well Phil, I haven't resorted to personal attacks singling out anyone.

You don't like my opinion .... fine .... you can say so without getting personal, then maybe you don't have the intellectual capability (judging from your responses so far).

Have a nice day mate. I'm no longer interested in this bye.

[CoombellKid]

No I think we have evolved from that way of thinking, you don’t see too
many folks out protesting in support of smoking... I mean could you imagine
that... a couple of thousand smokers marching down the road to parliament
house protesting about the bans in pubs and clubs. There is not one
single pro group out there (that I know of) but there sure is a lot of folks
protesting against.... Democracy but I suppose the government
of the day thinks it's democratic right is to be able to allow the sale of and
place gross amounts on taxation on it...

Cheers

Rob

Originally Posted by PCH

Rob,

I guess, going back to Roman days, our leaders have to appeal to 'the MOB'. If the masses are displeased you have anarchy. It appeals to the masses to be allowed to smoke if they so wish, and we just pick up the treatment bill for them and generally don't make too much fuss.

Equally, it appeals to the masses not to allow any one (capitalist ba*t*rd money making) business such as James Hardy to inflict these similar diseases on us. That's why the government has to act to stop james Hardy, but is happy to let us keep killing ourselves ! Both things please us generally speaking.

So, the Romans said it first, and we've been doing it ever since - "At all costs, we must please the Mob !"

Cheers,

[PCH (Paul)]

Originally Posted by CoombellKid

No I think we have evolved from that way of thinking, you don’t see too
many folks out protesting in support of smoking... I mean could you imagine
that... a couple of thousand smokers marching down the road to parliament
house protesting about the bans in pubs and clubs. There is not one
single pro group out there (that I know of) but there sure is a lot of folks
protesting against.... Democracy but I suppose the government
of the day thinks it's democratic right is to be able to allow the sale of and
place gross amounts on taxation on it...

Cheers

Rob

Well, we can't be sure can we. But I can imagine a couple of thousand people marching down the road protesting 20 or 30 years ago. What what we have known for a long time though is that smoking is dangerous. And we haven't exactly tackled the problem head on have we? The Government has deliberately treated the matter in this slow but sure way so that they get people on side slowly but surely. Look at the way it's been done ! It's taken years - decades even, when it could have been done much much faster - if they had wanted to.

Cheers,

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by madtuna

Actually.... I'm a smoker -18.27% I've given up on giving up -0.96% I want to give up -9.13% equals 28.63% on this site are smokers.
Just a tad over 18%. Even a 5th grade educated kid could work that out, maybe even Ian Robinson could with a bit of help
If you added in the 31.73% of forum members who at one time did smoke it blows the national average right out of the water.

It's probably astronomers have to do something to fill in time while waiting for the damn clouds to pass or thier camera to beep. and that's a coffee in one hand and a ciggie in the other

Seems I didn't take care looking at the poll options, you are quite right... I must be a smoker?

Apart from the weather induced bordom, why do you think so many that responded to this IIS poll are smokers then..? The stats for the national adult smoking average is reliable data. Perhaps the smokers on this forum were more compelled to anwer the poll, as a show of solidarity perhaps..?

What ever some may say, smokers "are" a dying breed, err..no pun intended

Mike