A great day for minorities

[csb (Craig)]

Originally Posted by julianh72

... fruit-flavoured beer!

Now we're getting back on topic!

[blink138 (Pat)]

Originally Posted by rrussell1962

Look, if people want to drink rose sparkling wine in the privacy of their own home - it's none of my business. Just don't expect me to drink it with them.

thems is fightin' words buddy ha ha!
a person has not truly lived until they have had the pleasure of a Charles Heidsieck Vintage Rose (1985 in my case)
a VERY superior drink indeed!
pat

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by csb

Now we're getting back on topic!

Another undeserved slur. I've never known a gay person who conforms to that 'limp wristed' stereotype. All have drunk normal hops beer and/or full-bodied reds. I'm not saying that 'camp as a row of tents' types don't exist but I'd guess they are in a tiny minority. Sorry to confuse you.

[LewisM]

Wife and I enjoy getting stupidly drunk and reminiscing with Rose - it was our elope wedding bottle of choice - the largest, cheapest Italian Rose we could find, and we even managed to get my 87 year old Grandmother drunk too!

I'd rather Rose than Red any day - Red and I don't see eye to eye histamine wise, and it elevates my core temperature WAY too high too.

[julianh72 (Julian)]

Originally Posted by rrussell1962

Take it easy with the Chimay Bleu - it needs a warning "not to be taken internally!"

To paraphrase Monty Python:
"This is not a beer for drinking. This is a beer for laying down and avoiding."

(Actually, Chimay Bleu is my all-time favourite beer - after only 6 or 7 pints, I'm anybody's!)

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

Originally Posted by julianh72

...... after only 6 or 7 pints, I'm anybody's! )

Hey..... keep it clean

[csb (Craig)]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

Another undeserved slur.

Now we move on to political correctness. Or perhaps you are just feigning offence to make your point?

There are quite a few flamboyant types of people out there, at work or just passing by. Not sure if most gay men fit the stereotype or not either but thats not the topic. And it has been said before "I don't care".

And I don't avoid them at work. I work in healthcare so there are many gay people that I work with. And I could name some that would enjoy and laugh at the fruit comment - it was a very light-hearted comment.

[chiaroscuro (Luke)]

Originally Posted by csb

now we move on to political correctness. Or perhaps you are just feigning offence to make your point?

fyi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IYx4Bc6_eE

[csb (Craig)]

Interesting. Of course, political correctness does have influence on discussion - it can stymie discussion or open discussion. Probably it actually opens discussion because more people are likely to join in.

Anyway, I actually mentioned political correctness because feigning offence as a tool to back up your point is usually easily seen for what it is.

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

feigning offence as a tool...
That's some confession.......lol

As a final word from me, being part of a minority is like being locked out of your home on a cold night. It's not a static situation, because even standing still, you get colder and eventually lose the will to go on.

[csb (Craig)]

Originally Posted by jenchris

feigning offence as a tool...
That's some confession.......lol

Jenchris, actually I'm not sure what your remark means?

[This post has been mostly redacted with apologies to jenchris - too embarrassing]

[rat156]

And then we have people like this ...

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Although a valid point is raised, that there ARE male victims of domestic violence, do we really think that it demands equal footing with the female victims?

Cheers
Stuart

P.S. Great debate everyone, little to no name calling, a real pleasure to be able to air an opinion in these fora and not have the thread closed because one or two people get carried away.

P.P.S. Great job mods in letting this thread meander along.

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

CSB
No I was not being nasty, there isn't a nasty thought in my head.
I was joking about the punctuation making the phrase awkward to interpret .

I've no idea about anyone's leanings, I don't look for indicators.
If you're gay , straight, trans or furry makes no difference to me.
I think you're all a nice bunch and I'm proud to know you.
Some of you may have opinions or beliefs that are not the same as mine, but that's fine too.
We're all entitled to be wrong sometimes lol.

[xelasnave]

Stuart.
All violence is criminal and ALL victims deserve justice.
Our society and culture harbours too much acceptance of violence..movies, sport presented as the acceptable option ..
Maybe they should put something in the water sedate everyone .

[AstralTraveller (David)]

[QUOTE=blink138;1130480]

Originally Posted by csb

So true. Guns don't kill, people do.

so you think that if everybody in the world owned a gun people would not use them to kill another? ......

Originally Posted by jenchris

Spears don't kill people.....
Inanimate objects do not by definition have a life of their own.
I owned various guns of many calibres; not one managed to pull its own trigger whilst loaded and pointed at someone.
...

People tend to think of guns being used against another person. This overlooks their use for suicide.

"Opportunity is another huge influence on whether someone attempts suicide, so much so that Lifeline CEO Alan Woodward says restricting access to the means by which someone might take their own life is the single most effective way to prevent suicide." http://www.abc.net.au/health/feature...30/4097548.htm

Guns are attractive as a suicide method because they are quick (no time to change your mind), convenient, reliable (no waking up in ICU) and relatively painless (compared to e.g. poisons or trains). I don't have the figures to hand but I believe that limiting access to guns has been shown to lessen suicide rates, probably especially in rural areas. I know there are ways to make gun storage safer (amo separate to the gun, bolt stored elsewhere) but that isn't always done (especially if the gun is in regular use e.g. for shooting rabbits) and the gun owner (and maybe others) can get around these obstacles relatively easily. Given the size of the suicide problem I think this is a real consideration when thinking about gun ownership. I'm pretty OK at the moment but there have been times when I wouldn't have wanted to be near a loaded gun.

[xelasnave]

I can think of at least six around Drake guns in use.
People I personally knew not the wider community

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I can think of at least six around Drake guns in use.
People I personally knew not the wider community

Do you mean 6 deaths? That's shocking. But 7 Australian suicide each day, so the chance of it affecting every one of us is very high.

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

Suicide prevention is a pretty slim excuse to stop lawful use of a firearm.
There's a lot of guns out there that aren't legal.
If I die on the wrong end of one, I shall be haunting Jack Boot Johnny and his successors forever.

[csb (Craig)]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

. . .limiting access to guns has been shown to lessen suicide rates . . .

Probably not. It seems gun suicides are actually a preferred method for some but that a determined person will use other means.

As per Wikipedia: Gun politics in Australia

Immediately following the Buyback there was a fall in firearm suicides which was more than offset by a 10% increase in total suicides in 1997 and 1998.

De Leo, Dwyer, Firman & Neulinger,[35] studied suicide methods in men from 1979 to 1998 and found a rise in hanging suicides . . . As hanging suicides rose at about the same rate as gun suicides fell, it is possible that there was some substitution of suicide methods.

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by csb

Probably not. It seems gun suicides are actually a preferred method for some but that a determined person will use other means.

As per Wikipedia: Gun politics in Australia

Immediately following the Buyback there was a fall in firearm suicides which was more than offset by a 10% increase in total suicides in 1997 and 1998.

De Leo, Dwyer, Firman & Neulinger,[35] studied suicide methods in men from 1979 to 1998 and found a rise in hanging suicides . . . As hanging suicides rose at about the same rate as gun suicides fell, it is possible that there was some substitution of suicide methods.

The number of people contemplating suicide also rose, and continues to do so. If guns were freely available the number of actual deaths would be higher.