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Old 21-11-2005, 11:48 PM
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it was on the outside of the tube on the metal, underneath the styrofoam piece, bandage and glad wrap. That was starklers experiment.
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Old 22-11-2005, 12:06 AM
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Ok, that sounds like a good place for it. I was trying to figure out why the tube was reading warmer than everything else.

Now that I think about it, maybe the tube reading is good and the mirror temp reading is a couple of degrees too low. As the mirror cools it might be warming up the tube with no fans there to move the air away. Hard to see where else the heat is coming from to warm the tube up like that.

I guess we'll know in the next day or so :-)

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Old 22-11-2005, 02:04 PM
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Next experiment is to test out the fan i have superglued to the middle of the mirror. I reckon that the secondary shadow should cover this area and wont affect my viewing.

Cloudy here today and no doubt tonight, so the temp drop wont be as dramatic, but i hope to test out the fan tonight.
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Old 22-11-2005, 02:09 PM
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Nice Dave, how did you attach it?

Also, looks like your mirror needs a clean
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Old 22-11-2005, 02:21 PM
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Nice Dave, how did you attach it?

Also, looks like your mirror needs a clean
there is a little ledge at the base of where the clamps screw in. I glued it there.

I am going to move it around the other side because when i tilt the scope, it now hangs above the mirror. I am thinking that this is not good if the glue gives way. I have tried this superglue before and it comes away from metal with a solid tap with a chisel

The mirror is a bit dirty hee hee, but I will wait a fair while until i get the courage to clean. I have done an alright job with the cheapie ep's i have, but not a good enough job on the mirror.
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Old 22-11-2005, 03:12 PM
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Cut a nice hole in the side of your tube and bolt it or suspend it with elastic?
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Old 22-11-2005, 03:17 PM
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Cut a nice hole in the side of your tube and bolt it or suspend it with elastic?
yup, if this size fan is sufficient, then it will be permanent as you say!

Do you think suck out the air or blow air??

A couple of vents on the other side can help feed the sucking.

Obviously drilling the tube means "Dave make sure you have done your homework".


A cover for the fan and vents would be handy to stop dust getting on my lovely clean mirror!
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Old 22-11-2005, 03:28 PM
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Homework...mmm, there's always the Bird approach - "if it don't fit, drill more holes".

To be serious for a moment, I think the opinions are divided about where the fan should be - some people say on the back of the tube, and some say on the side of the tube like where you have it, or even down a bit so it's blowing/sucking partially onto the side of the mirror.

Where most people agree is that if you have a passive fan arrangement then you're better off sucking the hot air out of the tube. The computer case and power supply manufacturers worked that out many years ago.

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Old 22-11-2005, 04:57 PM
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interesting stuff davo... cant wait to see the results from the fan
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Old 22-11-2005, 04:59 PM
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your mirror clamps look very tight too davo...
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Old 22-11-2005, 05:04 PM
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your mirror clamps look very tight too davo...
truly????

they are done up until i can just feel resistance and then a gentle baby turn.

Finger tight comes to mind, or that was what i have tried to do.

There is no astigmatism on a star test that i can detect??
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Old 22-11-2005, 06:51 PM
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Started at 17:45, but the temp has started to drop, so i turned on fan at 18:45, so lets see what happens?

I will calculate from two nights ago, a rough lag factor and then we can compare.
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Old 22-11-2005, 07:18 PM
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Fan glued to mirror cell = vibration = ......?
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Old 22-11-2005, 07:24 PM
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Unless of course you intend not using it while your viewing?
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Old 22-11-2005, 07:29 PM
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I've experimented with fans sucking the layer off the mirror. It created a cyclonic effect in the OTA....the column of air in the OTA rotated as it was sucked down past the mirror, & you could see the effect at the eyepiece. Good stuff Dave, good to see your experiments.
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Old 22-11-2005, 08:02 PM
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hmmmmm, not seeming to go as well as I thought.


two nights ago, ambient dropped at roughly 1.6 degrees an hour and the mirror dropped at 1.4.

tonight it is 1.76 degrees an hour and the mirror at 1.2 per hour

ok another hour and i will turn off the fan and see what happens.

My gut feel is sucking and vents on the other side!!!
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Old 22-11-2005, 08:10 PM
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at 8pm, the scope went on its side
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Old 22-11-2005, 08:25 PM
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at 8pm, the scope went on its side
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Old 22-11-2005, 08:51 PM
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i had it vertical and thought that i would test if i had it horizontal, may speed up the mirror cooling and it seems to have worked,



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Old 22-11-2005, 09:04 PM
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Dave, I've been inspired by your efforts and I now take a digital thermometer outside with me when observing. It's just measuring ambient, but it gives a good indication of how well the scope will perform. Once the temperature does not change much more than about 1/2 degree in 1/2 hour, the views are getting good.

The thermometer itself appears to be limited in relative accuracy to not much better than 1/2 degree. E.g., it can keep jump back and forth between say 12.2 and 12.7 degrees without displaying any values in between, but at other times it will show values between; like after I take it inside... The odd jumps and flat bits on your graphs might be due to inaccuracy in the measurements.
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