U got your $900 from the Govt yet? - Page 6

dpastern (Dave Pastern) · #**101** 09-05-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by multiweb

Are you serious? Tax cuts for large and small businesses giving them incentive to produce more and employ people is the way to turn the ship around. Splashing money you don't have all over the place is plain stupid. It just builds up your debt.

Marc - I disagree. Small businesses are the ones most likely to be:

1) badly run

2) selling goods that are not in high demand

3) have owners with poor sales skills, poor organisational and structuring skills

4) abuse employees the most (they can get away with it because of the stupid discriminatory laws that Howard introduced that stop you from filing for unfair dismissal in companies with < 10 employees)

5) usually do not plan to have sufficient back up funds when they start the business up in case things go bad or get rough

6) have the highest percentage of bankruptcy on any people set in Australia

Big business isn't better, let's look at Bonds. They sack staff and move employment off shore where they can purchase slave labour. I thought slavery was illegal, looks like no one told China and various other 3rd world countries. I know how I'd deal with companies like Bonds - penalty business tax rates at 300% normal - that'll encourage them to keep employing Australians.

The whole world economic problem is based on several things:

1) we rely far too much on the US, and the US dollar

2) far too few have far too much of the world wealth

3) greed

4) greed

5) greed

6) bad decisions

7) governments that bail out these mongrels at tax payers expense. Tell me, if I had a mortgage and starting drinking, gambling and visiting brothels and spent all my money and lost the house, would any government bail me out? No. They'd tell me I was an idiot and didn't manage my money well and brought it all on myself, and weren't going to get bailed out.

FACT: Australia is one of the highest taxed nations in the world.

FACT: Australians are becoming increasingly the nation that works the longest hours (as an average)

thankfully our standard of living is still relatively good, despite goods going up far more than wages in the past 10 years. So much for inflation ;-)

I took my $900 and put it on paying off my scope. I've been "stimulating" the economy a fair bit anyways, since I'm single, living @ home and have a disposable income. Probably a lot more than the average person too. The past X amount of governments owe me as far as I'm concerned, due to the increase in the cost of goods, restrictions on wage increases, and little change to the taxation system. The only changes done there are for business tax, and they benefit the wealthy few percent of the country, not the majority of hard working workers who could *really* do with it.

I always find it amusing - ONLY individuals can vote, yet governments world wide seem to only pander to business' needs when they get into power. Doesn't that make you wonder? It makes me wonder.

I have not been impressed with krudd one iota - poor leader, poor strategies, rude & arrogant. Won't be getting my vote again - that'll go to Don Key.

Dave

multiweb (Marc) · #**102** 09-05-2009, 11:44 AM

Let me see... live at home, no dependent. Try move out, get a mortgage or rent, start a business or self-employed, self funded retirement, family + private health and see how it balances and how that adds up for you (gross turnover vs. taxes) . Then we'll have this conversation again

dpastern (Dave Pastern) · #**103** 09-05-2009, 12:06 PM

Yes Marc, and that proves my point - that the costs of living have outstripped wages. Business is so greedy it wants to make a profit, and that is at the expense of decent wages for their staff. They typically, from my experience, make staff work twice as hard for less money. When they burn the staff out, they get rid of them and replace. Rinse and repeat as needed.

I've been working over 20 years now and that's what I see has happened. Many that I talk to agree. The modern workplace is not a good place.

I've lived out of home for a good number of years, been there, done that. I moved back home for a variety of personal, theological and financial reasons. I'm glad I came back home, I'm getting to spend time with my dad who doesn't have that long to live (stomach cancer). I got to see him for the last good 18 months of his health, before it turned bad.

Marriage? Kids? No thanks. I like my freedom. I'm not the marrying kind. I have no intentions of having kids, due to again, personal, theological, religious and financial considerations. Plus I'm too ugly to find a partner it seems - the modern woman is only interested in looks, money and the size of your private member. If you don't have A, B & C, forget the dating scene. I can quite happily do without the BS ;-)

As Shrek would say:

"I like my privacy".

I'm also an onion

Dave

multiweb (Marc) · #**104** 09-05-2009, 12:18 PM

Sorry to hear about your dad. I understand your reasons to stay at home. No doubt there are a lot of greedy businesses out there. That's what business is about. Making money. It is not a pretty place. That's how the world works and that's not going to change, like it or hate it.

My point is to stimulate the economy you need to "fuel the engines" which is giving incentive to businesses bad or good that's another debate. In form of tax cuts or other financial help to employ people. If you splash money away, you have to pay it back. Plain and simple. Who's going to go to work if they can stay home and get paid for it? Nobody.

I have lived and worked in many different countries. England, Germany, Italy, France and I have now been running my business for the last 10 years in Australia. This place is Unreal

. It's club med 24/7 for me.
You guys have no idea how lucky we are here. But the bottom line is to make a buck you need to work for a buck. Kev's money is YOUR money. You'll have to pay it back with interests. The honeymoon period will be over soon when reality hits and the sad thing is that our kids will still be paying for it. Bad start in life ...

dpastern (Dave Pastern) · #**105** 09-05-2009, 12:26 PM

Oh, I realise that we'll be paying for this stimilus package for a long while. I'm rather clued, more so than the average person I suspect. I think that economy wise, we're just hitting the tip of the iceberg, things are *going* to get a lot worse before they get better.

Dave

multiweb (Marc) · #**106** 09-05-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dpastern

Oh, I realise that we'll be paying for this stimilus package for a long while. I'm rather clued, more so than the average person I suspect. I think that economy wise, we're just hitting the tip of the iceberg, things are *going* to get a lot worse before they get better.

Dave

Good analogy. I'd say we're on the titanic headed for it

dpastern (Dave Pastern) · #**107** 09-05-2009, 12:40 PM

Prolly. I hope not, because it's the innocent, average, hard working Aussie worker that's going to get hurt the most. Wages will be surpressed, the costs of goods will go up, inflation and interest will rise, more defaults on mortgages, rents will increase, petrol will increase, many will become disadvantaged, unemployed and homeless.

And I'm not even taking into account mental illness, which has already been on the rise in the past 20 years - it's the fastest rising disease world wide. Governments are not acknowledging it, and certainly aren't devoting funds to help people sufffering from it. As a result more people will despair, lose their way, do alcohol, drugs and commit crime.

I'm really a chaos anarchist - modern society is simply not capable of supporting itself for a long period of time in the current format imho. People won't believe me, they think I'm a crack pot, but I'm very confident that history will prove me right in the long term. We're seeing the start of the seeds of discord, and governments are tightening up on our freedoms as a result of that. Just remember, Hitler went for the unions and gays before he went for the Jewish people, loss and abuse of freedoms always starts small, with minorities before it spreads to the masses. History does repeat itself, and it doesn't lie. We'd do well to consider our past history I suspect, and more importantly, learn from it.

Dave