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Old 25-05-2015, 11:16 PM
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I thought so,

nothing like a grilled salard with a side salad and chips and a chilled Leffe

(the important thing to remember is that the B-mode polarisation is a signature of inflation in the early Universe. Are we really seeing gravitational waves?)

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Old 26-05-2015, 07:16 AM
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I thought so,

nothing like a grilled salard with a side salad and chips and a chilled Leffe

(the important thing to remember is that the B-mode polarisation is a signature of inflation in the early Universe. Are we really seeing gravitational waves?)
My goodness you suffer a lack of basic comprehension skills.


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In fact the investigation of B-mode polarization in the CMB due to inflation is one of the more embarrassing cases for mainstream science.
It's "discovery" was announced by the BICEP2 team last year and was hailed as one of the greatest recent scientific discoveries rivalling the Higgs boson.
Unfortunately the researchers underestimated the amount of magnetized dust in our own galaxy that produces a similar photon polarization.
The mistake was realised after the Planck probe revealed its data.
What is absolutely laughable this was a response to one of your own posts.

Evidently the answer went way over your head because you failed to see the association of gravitational waves with inflation, or you simply refuse to accept anything that deviates from your narrow minded view of events.

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Old 26-05-2015, 08:57 AM
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It was my Impression that when BICEP 2 results were hot news there were doubts being expressed within the mainstream community that the data may not be reliable.

In any event given the truth came out a short time later I would not call the situation an embarassment but rather a good example of science working openly and effectively.
News reached us via science journalists and I wonder if the matter was sensationalised .
And even if the team went off half cocked the system was shown to work.
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Old 26-05-2015, 11:01 AM
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It was my Impression that when BICEP 2 results were hot news there were doubts being expressed within the mainstream community that the data may not be reliable.

In any event given the truth came out a short time later I would not call the situation an embarassment but rather a good example of science working openly and effectively.
News reached us via science journalists and I wonder if the matter was sensationalised .
And even if the team went off half cocked the system was shown to work.
Alex,

From day one the results were deemed suspicious particularly when they were released prior to the Planck data.
The BICEP2 team had effectively jumped the gun in proclaiming to the world they had found gravitational waves through polarization.
It was an embarrassment as they had to retract their statement when it was found through the Planck data, the contribution of a similar polarization effect through magnetized dust in our galaxy was greater than the BICEP2 team had accounted for.

The BICEP2 case is a good example of how science works.

As far as the cosmologists "never being wrong........", the cosmologist Laurence Krauss stated it eloquently on ABC's Q&A program, that cosmologists usually do get it wrong. A point that is conveniently omitted is the relentless peer review process where many ideas fall by the wayside and even if they survive that stage, observation and experiment can kill off the hypothesis.

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Old 26-05-2015, 11:37 AM
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Yes Steven you covered the situation very well.
I don't fully understand the system but I am confident that it works as good as we can hope for.
The point to emphasise is that the team made the mistake not the whole body of mainstream.
Reading at cosmoquest tells me that one has little chance of presenting material that will not go without the most critical review.
I obviously have no experience with peer review but I can't imagine it is not effective.
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Old 26-05-2015, 11:43 AM
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Thank you Alex.

I must say I have enjoyed this thread much more than any other I have ever read. Even those posts which slipped beyond the event horizon and became lost to view...
Alex is a real gentlemen - and open minded.

And also likes salards - cant ask for more than that

Unlike the pseudo intellectual scientist Lawrence Krauss who prances around the planet spewing out his materialistic corporatized version of Atheism and selectively bagging Christianity....Pity he doesn't spend more time researching some vibrant areas of Physics rather than interviewing Chomsky on stage for big dollars and pretending to sound important - Morally Sour Krauss is perhaps in the top 7 clowns in the western hemisphere today

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