The Pioneer Anomaly: Still a Mystery

[OICURMT]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pressure

The expanding of a space can not be proven scientifically!

My missus would disagree, she claims I (the space I take up) am expanding at a rate which defies all physical theories... and she has proof (photographic, which when plotted becomes "scientifically and statistically measurable"....)

[Kal (Andrew)]

Just tested this forum feature. I think it might make my reading a bit lighter

[Screwdriverone (Chris)]

Whew....this thread is a bit exhausting to read, jumping from people discussing things to theories from left field and right field and two field and no field and whacky field.....

How about this, something that I think, hasnt been mentioned.

Most (if not all) of our theories and science and such have been studied and tested and proved (with data from such observations) within the confines of our solar system, correct? No-one to date has travelled as far out as the Pioneer probes so therefore what they are experiencing (from what I read) is they are slowing down slightly?

Now, PERHAPS, the data we all hold true and good is based on science that is being done and observed within our solar system where the models and experiments and tests all hold true with regard to the environment these tests are performed?

For example: If I told you that I could make a brand of green dishwashing liquid turn purple by sealing it 10mls into a test tube of known size and plugging it with known cork and heating it to known temperature at sea level pressure for a certain period, then you could all feasibly test my theory and observations either by doing it yourselves or using chemical or mathematical equations to test the results? Right?

OK, so then here's a thought. MAYBE the Voyager's are experiencing something that has never been experienced within our solar system?

Such as the Heliopause?? I dont think this has come up here yet, the term, specifically?

My thought is that perhaps the envelope of outflowing solar wind (which the crafts have experienced their whole journey) is being met by a stronger force out there more than 20-70AU from the sun and the effects of the force of the sun's solar wind is now lessening (or even removed) so that the velocity of the spacecraft is being modified by the flow of other forces such as the galactic particles and intersellar medium which is affecting the velocity we believed to be constant for that object travelling through a vacuum.

Studying the heliosphere, the bow shock and the actual point of the Heliopause was one of the primary missions of the Voyager's wasn't it?

Perhaps they have encountered it earlier than expected and its behaviour is not as it was predicted?

In simplistic terms, what I am trying to say is Voyager(s) has had a nice constant tailwind for most of the journey, coming from the sun and now, the tailwind has stopped. At the same time, whatever is beyond our solar system is probably pushing back the other way.

Could be dark matter, could be charged particles flowing from the galactic core, could be dust, hydrogen, helium, etc etc,

We just dont know yet, because, we cant test it easily, so we have to theorise or observe and measure it happening to be able to theorise what is going on.

Not my proven theory, not mathematically proven and certainly not as confusing as having to sift through links to other sites which take you off on tangents and away from what the original question was, but there you go, my take on what is happening from my limited knowledge of things.

Take it or leave it. I am not going to evangelise myself proving it one way or the other and I really can't understand why everyone gets so uppity and righteous discussing theories and quoting scientific journals and papers when all that does is confuse the issue even further and make everyone squabble and flame each other by trying to prove each other wrong.

Point is, I dont think there is even one person on this website or any other around the world that is capable of answering this question or the many others put forward by being able to say, the answer is this: and here is my proof! Certainly not in one post, or even 100 on the same subject, no matter how many people or scientists or theorists are quoted to support some of the claims.

While it is interesting (for a while) to read some of these posts, I find it exhausting sifting through the posts that jump from one reference to another with "seemingly" linked references to the poster's point.

Unless you have developed your own theory and have YOUR OWN supporting evidence to post to show how you arrived at it, PLEASE stop trying to prove scientific points by quoting someone else's website or bombarding us with references to things that I am sure aren't even understood by the people who point them out to us. Then to not answer legitimate questions simply by skirting them or ignoring them or even distracting the thread with meaningless references to papers that have no relevance is bordering on the behaviour of someone who knows they are wrong, won't admit it, but won't give anyone the satisfaction or courtesy of admitting they don't know the answer. I can prove anything I want within the confines of MY own head too!

And the anger and nasty comments that stem from the personal jibes that fly back and forth are simply childish.

My one last request is to stay on topic and PLEASE stop thinking you can explain or prove scientific theory simply armed with Google or Wikipedia as your laboratory.

Chris

[Octane (Humayun)]

phw0ar, a Chris post more than 2 lines in length. I'm impressed!

/me runs... fast!

H

P.S. Lots of love.

[Screwdriverone (Chris)]

Originally Posted by Octane

phw0ar, a Chris post more than 2 lines in length. I'm impressed!

/me runs... fast!

H

P.S. Lots of love.

Yes, I AM known for my brevity H, sorry for the essay.

not too much love I hope, people will start to talk!

Cheers

Chris

[CraigS]

Hi Chris and H;

Thanks for your help .. it is appreciated ..

Frankly, we've tried to park and bury this thread multiple times 'cause we've all just about had enough of it, (myself included .. ie: the originator).

It seems that almost no-one has read the original paper on the first post, or picked up on my initial words (miles back, in the beginning):

Seems like every man and his dog has a hypothesis about why this is happening. We could take bets on the outcomes because it seems that this is one mystery, which good scientific research probably will solve, in our lifetimes.

.... And no-one here is doing that research !!

So, I agree with you .. eventually someone will solve it ... why not just leave it that way and move on ?

Cheers & Rgds
PS: Maybe I should ask if we can lock this thread, so we can get on with our lives ??
PPS: So much for 'Darmok' ... case proven !