One mag gain is a lot! Consider mag 4.5 vs mag 5.5 skies. Check out the attached xephem simulated images of M11. The first one is with a visibility limit of mag 13, the second one with mag 14.
It would be a great step-up for you Ian and Steve. OK, you can have one each! But only if you behave yourselves!! If not, you will have to give them to Ving.
I do hope the instructions for it are written clearly.
Think you for purchasing your 16" russ Dobsonian Telescope AssembleInstructions:
Please place the truss the number 1 into sacket 'A'. Proceed to turn the frame around to other side and followed the step 1.
Once the installed part comply it, placing the next truss number 2 into the sock 'B'.
The truss frame must reproduce around all sides. On complete of this part, putting all truss into the basis and lock click onto place using the clocks supplied.
Attach all truss and base onto main base stand and to looking angle is good and align using the aligner screws.
Please to turn the focuser housing unit device section to suitable be placed for your comfort viewing and lock unto place.
We hope you enjoy your the telescoper.
Xephem downloads the faint stars on the fly, so I only have up to mag 6 actually stored on the computer.
Slice, Do you realise how many mag 16 stars there are up there? The database must be around 100GB or maybe bigger. The one I normally use goes to mag 14. I'll see if I can find one that goes deeper.
Never mind Slice, I got them! M11 at mag 15 & 16 attached. Narrower field of view to keep the downloads manageable (around 1/4 degree here vs around 1.3 in the earlier pics). It tells a similar story though as the mag 13-14 comparison.
Thats pretty snazzy seeing them like that, Thanks Steve.
There's a definite difference for sure, but maybe not enough for me to have a 'eyegasm' and warrant that jump. Still I could imagine the feeling jumping from an 8 to a 16.
LOL! I am not racist one bit, but be honest, how many instructions manuals read like that! A lot!
I even seen written on a very expensive Video game machine in a Games Arcade "Place coin slot into opening to the play the game" and it wasn't written by the proprietor. It was Etch printed on the factory's steel plate on the coin entry slot! Don't they have anyone to proof read?
They don't NEED anyone to proofread! We all buy the products anyway.
But it is getting better as China is putting its foot down on the globe. Soon enough, there will be Aussie engineers eager to go work for Chinese companies, and basic spoken and written Chinese will be taught as part of their engineering degrees. Just try to keep up!
I am sort of leaning towards it now, I considered jumping to a 16" because I already have the 8" and started off with a 4" so I have to keep doubling my viewing pleasure. BUT! I also wanted tracking for photography. I think I will wait until the bugs are sorted out first
hmm it would be very tempting as a next scope to satisfy some aperture fever.. the fact that it's truss and would be easier to transport, as Geoff says.
But at > $2k it would mean the DSLR would have to wait
Oh and also this is all before telling the wife, "honey, I need a bigger telescope".
Thats pretty snazzy seeing them like that, Thanks Steve.
There's a definite difference for sure, but maybe not enough for me to have a 'eyegasm' and warrant that jump. Still I could imagine the feeling jumping from an 8 to a 16.
really?
sir you are blind. theres a huge difference to me there
how bout this... you buy the 16" and give me your 12"
I wonder if you'll be able to buy just the mirror and for how much... The 12" mirrors are just $399 ea. I'm seriously considering getting one, but 16" would be an even better excuse to start an ATM project.
I'm eager to see the difference between 8" & 12" with my eyes at Star Camp.
really?
sir you are blind. theres a huge difference to me there
how bout this... you buy the 16" and give me your 12"
Your probably right Ving, the old eyes aren't what they used to be.
But I was also taking into account I can go deeper with the 12.5" Parks than the gs 12" and the pics are only a simulation.
How about you buying the 16", send it to me and I'll compare it to the 12", if it's worthwhile keeping I'll buy it off you for half price cause it'll be second hand then
The database must be around 100GB or maybe bigger. The one I normally use goes to mag 14. I'll see if I can find one that goes deeper. 
Thanks Steve
Don't they have anyone to proof read?
