Dave "tchus" at the end of your post makes the preceding sentence sound sarcastic. And "tchus" then could also be interpreted as "delete yourself".
Is that intentional? If you were German I'd say it is intentional but an Aussi isn't usually that rude so I better ask and get a chance to verify or amend my nationalism/racism regarding Aussi's politeness.
Tsk Tsk Dave, for Northern Germans you need to use tschüß. (I can say that, my lineage is from Lübeck, very close to Rostock ) Better still, just use auf Wiedersehen to alleviate misconceptions, but that too can seem sarcastic.
Now, Annette, Aussi??? I do not think Dave is an East German.
I vividly recall being in Berlin in 1989 and 1990...everywhere we heard people talking about Aussi's... to the point my father went into a bank to change some traveller's cheques (remember those ) and the cashier saying/asking "Du bist Aussi?". My father replied, in his schoolboy German, Ja. She then started to give him EXTRA money, to which he was bewildered. Someone finally explained to him what it meant - the West German (or Reunified) government was dolling out money to East Germans...he had to give it back
Take the time to watch the entirety of the Noam Chomsky video that I posted in another thread Nikolas. It's not alarmist at all.
Watched it and not convinced. If you don't want your data tracked get off the internet altogether, it's not just social media, it's every web search, etc etc etc. Even here on this forum you are datamined.
Alarmist enough for a full Senate enquiry costing millions in the USA...
Enough for the Australian government to expend MILLIONS of dollars on helping prevent against the government systems?
I suggested reading the ASD guidelines a few posts ago. The ASD is the Australian Signals Directorate - basically, cyber security on steroids in Australia. I'd suggest at a minimum following and adhering to many of their Essential 8. There is PLENTY of reading on their website for anyone interested in FACT, not crap. Here is a primer for you: https://www.asd.gov.au/publications/...rity-model.htm
The senate inquiry showed how out of touch these senators are, did you see what questions they were asking him? They are clueless.
You are now on the cia hit list because you know what they don't want you to know, oh crap I just mentioned cia that means I'm done for too.
sheesh.....
Dont disagree, but its relatively raw data, and a relatively small dataset.
FB has specialised in linking the data "and people", thus making it hundreds of times more useful, esp as they report now having over 2billion users signed up, and probably a similar no hoovered up along the way.
Selling that sort of stuff to the chinese etc, is what i am more concerned with, vs say the council selling the dog register to the petfood companies.
You are now on the cia hit list because you know what they don't want you to know, oh crap I just mentioned cia that means I'm done for too.
sheesh.....
Look, you're free to believe what you want, there is nothing sinister here, nothing covert, it's just the way things work. Data leads to sales. Period.
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Gday Nik
Dont disagree, but its relatively raw data, and a relatively small dataset.
FB has specialised in linking the data "and people", thus making it hundreds of times more useful, esp as they report now having over 2billion users signed up, and probably a similar no hoovered up along the way.
Selling that sort of stuff to the chinese etc, is what i am more concerned with, vs say the council selling the dog register to the petfood companies.
Andrew
Hi Andrew, all the data is raw. Every bit of data counts and adds up. IIS is a public forum. What we're discussing here right now gets picked up by Google bot almost on an hourly basis and gets indexed. Discrete pieces of information might not make sense, but when you get enough of them together you can correlate and get something out of it as the big picture starts forming. The technology and algos involved are pretty cool really. How it gets used is up to individuals. Privacy is a dinosaur in the digital age.
Gday Marc
I understand its all being collected and indexed, but FB has far more backroom processing going on than most of the other sites, and from what i understood of the info the other day, FB was selling the processed data ( as its more profitable ).
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How it gets used is up to individuals.
Or possibly Governments???
I always remembered that when working with software development and data, getting it to do what you want was about 10% of the effort.
Preventing it being misused was 90%.
Look, you're free to believe what you want, there is nothing sinister here, nothing covert, it's just the way things work. Data leads to sales. Period.
That's what I've been trying to say, it's all about target advertising, aimed at me who won't see the ads due to adblockers so it's wasted on themk, all the conspiracy theories some here have gone on about is over the top, hence my scepticism about sinister connotations.
Dave "tchus" at the end of your post makes the preceding sentence sound sarcastic. And "tchus" then could also be interpreted as "delete yourself".
Is that intentional? If you were German I'd say it is intentional but an Aussi isn't usually that rude so I better ask and get a chance to verify or amend my nationalism/racism regarding Aussi's politeness.
Annette- the tchus was meant as a polite goodbye, nothing more! I'm Australian, but my dad was born in the Vaterland (Duesseldorf).
Tsk Tsk Dave, for Northern Germans you need to use tschüß. (I can say that, my lineage is from Lübeck, very close to Rostock ) Better still, just use auf Wiedersehen to alleviate misconceptions, but that too can seem sarcastic.
Now, Annette, Aussi??? I do not think Dave is an East German.
I vividly recall being in Berlin in 1989 and 1990...everywhere we heard people talking about Aussi's... to the point my father went into a bank to change some traveller's cheques (remember those ) and the cashier saying/asking "Du bist Aussi?". My father replied, in his schoolboy German, Ja. She then started to give him EXTRA money, to which he was bewildered. Someone finally explained to him what it meant - the West German (or Reunified) government was dolling out money to East Germans...he had to give it back
I'm too lazy to spell German correctly lol. Sorry! I find auf wiedersehen just too informal and dry and much prefer tchus for a more personal touch.
The grand irony is that we live in a world where corporations demand our personal data for security reasons, which they then fail to keep secure. I'm talking more about the inevitable hacks and data breaches that every company and government department is prone to, rather than FB where people have willingly given up their security. But then it's amazing what people can find out if they really want to even without recourse to Mr Zuckerberg.
I just find it strange that companies demand secret information for security, then store that information in vast databases which will inevitably be hacked. It makes the integrity of the process useless and therefore, meaningless.
'Personal information' isn't worth anything anymore from a security standpoint.
But you can't just generate a new birthdate and start fresh, can you? It's a bit of a crisis, IMO.
I always remembered that when working with software development and data, getting it to do what you want was about 10% of the effort.
Preventing it being misused was 90%.
Andrew
Gday Marc
I understand its all being collected and indexed, but FB has far more backroom processing going on than most of the other sites, and from what i understood of the info the other day, FB was selling the processed data ( as its more profitable ).
Or possibly Governments???
I always remembered that when working with software development and data, getting it to do what you want was about 10% of the effort.
Preventing it being misused was 90%.
Andrew
It is getting increasingly cheaper to process data because the models that were once optimised by humans are now done by machines and not surprisingly more efficiently, faster and more reliably. I don't know the numbers for 2017 or 2018 but taking a base line in 2015, 2016 efficiency was already 80% up from the previous year with what they call deep learning. It is quite CPU intensive but there are services providing server farms for hire to crunch the numbers, a bit like rendering farms for the movie industry.
Gday Marc
Fully understood, but again, you need massive data, and who better than FB to give it to you.
The EU has just brought in laws that may help curb some of that, but as per above, having data collated "for good" is 10%, and blocking misuse is a bit harder, esp when the owner of the company is the one selling it off behind everyones backs.
Interesting why Snowden and Assange are pariahs for making private data freely available, but Suckerberg is still not being attacked, ( other than a slap on the cheek with a wet lettuce )
I guess it comes down to whos privacy was exposed??????
but an Aussi isn't usually that rude so I better ask and get a chance to verify or amend my nationalism/racism regarding Aussi's politeness.
) Better still, just use auf Wiedersehen to alleviate misconceptions, but that too can seem sarcastic.
) and the cashier saying/asking "Du bist Aussi?". My father replied, in his schoolboy German, Ja. She then started to give him EXTRA money, to which he was bewildered. Someone finally explained to him what it meant - the West German (or Reunified) government was dolling out money to East Germans...he had to give it back 
