A Trump win, good for Astro gear ?

[Nath2099]

The problem is, my FACTUAL post (it was not opinion, it is verifiable fact) was no doubt against the TOS, as is, as the person I upset mentioned, most of the rest of this thread. I assume the TOS state no religion/politics (Which I STRONGLY agree with), I can't seem to find them anywhere, but let's be consistent. They all go, or none of them do. Unless the mods wish to suggest exactly how I breached the TOS when no-one else has?

[bojan]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Don't let it upset you the mods treat us as being intelligent enough to work out our mistakes.

Just relax enjoy the show.

Alex

Also, this forum is for Amateur Astronomy... not for politics.
Clear skies folks...

[xelasnave]

Hi Nath
If you signed up you would have said you read the TOS if you say you assume that means you did not read them.

I like to approach the forum this way.
If you upset someone its best to try and fix it, if the mods do something accept it and work it out, and move on.
Maybe your post was complained about and the mods dealt with that complaint
There is no need to feel wronged or whatever.
Of course we are all breaking the rules but we don't do it often.
In any event the mods do a great job here by letting us self regulate and we ate very privelledged in this regard.
And it has nothing to do with fact or ridgid application of the rules.
I can't recall exactly what you said but if a complaint was acted upon thank goodness we only lost your post, which is sad, but the complaint was addressed you may have missed out but it is only a big deal if you can't move on...and there is no need to upset yourself really.
Alex

[75BC (Brendon)]

Originally Posted by julianh72

This is to me one of the greatest indictments of the American political system - that people just can't be bothered to get out and vote, even when the prospect of one of the candidates becoming President is so appalling. (Or maybe because BOTH of the mainstream candidates were appalling? )

I can't help thinking the rest of the World took a greater interest in who won the 2016 US Presidential race than the American electorate!

I have a theory about this and it's that some people have no interest in politics. They see politicians as people on a sports field. All playing the same game but for different teams.
These people don't care who wins and therefore don't see why they should not leave it to people who ARE interested to vote.
Like I said it's just a theory.

[AussieTrooper (Ben)]

Originally Posted by Nath2099

Well that's true, Clinton is a war monger. As someone on a blog I was reading earlier said, "America had a choice between corrupt or crazy, they chose crazy. Possibly in the hopes that things might change".

A mate of mine put it similarly.
"It is a choice between palliative care (Clinton) and radical surgery with a 90% chance of fatality (Trump)".

It turns out that calling people racists/bigots/whatever, whilst claiming to be 'tolerant' yourself, just motivates them to get out and vote. Similar to Brexit. There must be quite a few European leaders who are more than a little worried right now.

As to the original topic, the biggest fear/prediction was of issues with the stockmarket and exchange rates. This appears not to have happened, so the effect may well be minor.
Perhaps with China partially shut out of the US market, we will be a more attractive export destination for them.

[Nath2099]

While a lot of racists did vote for Trump, and there have already been many reports of race hate, a lot of normal rational folk must have too. The only thing I think it can be put down to is a big fat middle finger to politicians of all persuasions... and that I'm all for. The system has to change, and this might be the catalyst.

I just feel for America's blacks and other minorities who have to put up with all the racist sh.t in the mean time. The MRA's and White Supremacist types will be well emboldened by this, and when they work out that Trump simply can't deliver what they want...

[The_bluester (Paul)]

I heard it interestingly put on the radio this morning. the suggestion was that there was a very high portion that you would regard as a protest vote. Voting for Trump because he seemed to be the antithesis of the "Washington elite" and never expecting him to actually win it. Combine a large protest vote with non compulsory voting, a "First past the post" system and the electoral college where getting 50%+1 of the votes in a single very populous state could net you around 20% of the electoral college votes that you need to win through to the presidency and the result could easily be unexpected.

at least with compulsory voting and the preferential system in Aus, a protest vote against the majors if you are in one of the many seats that is always going to fall to one of the big parties is generally going to boil down eventually to a vote to your least undesired major party rather than unexpectedly electing the candidate from the "Total loony party" that happened to be at the top of the ticket when half the electorate cast a donkey vote.

[billdan (Bill)]

It was reported this morning it was the lowest voting turnout since 2000, around 55% of registered voters actually voted.

The USA that calls itself worlds greatest democracy, we have 25% of the pop voted for the winner, 25% voted for the loser and around 50% couldn't be bothered.

[Nath2099]

Couldn't be bothered or couldn't stomach either of the choices...

[KWR (George)]

I honestly believe that Trump has just duped everyone. He played the game, and he played it better than anyone expected. The current establishment and mainstream media still want you to believe that he is some sort of psychopath that is hell bent on the destruction of an already crippled nation. I don't subscribe to this. This is an individual that built and amassed wealth in 'old America', and he seem's hell bent on bringing back the good old times. Greed is a very strong motivator, just ask Hillary and all of her backers lurking in the shadows. I hate to admit it, but America was built on the back of it's people, by it's people (of all race and creed), very much like Australia. Recent times have seen that eroded to the haves, and have not's, driven by the elites and their underhanded shonky dealings with the establishment. Gee...again I must draw comparison with Australia.

My personal opinion of Clinton (and her string pullers) is poor, I have a bad habit of taking note of the goings on that don't make it to mainstream media. I think I will leave my opinion of Trump a little longer. In the last 48hrs, I'm starting to see glimpses of some rather intelligent actions which are changing some of my perceptions. (Again, not something you will likely pick up on from mainstream media). Without a doubt, some very interesting times ahead.

[julianh72 (Julian)]

Originally Posted by Nath2099

Couldn't be bothered or couldn't stomach either of the choices...

I can understand not being able to stomach either of the major party candidates, but I can't forgive "can't be bothered" when it comes down to something as important as the leadership of your own country - and especially when it's the most powerful country on Earth.

There is plenty that you may feel is "wrong" with the Australian political system, and much that you may wish to change, but at least our compulsory voting system means that we are in no doubt as to which party candidate is preferred in each electorate, and in Australia as a whole.

When faced with a choice between "Dumb and Dumber", or "Dumber and Dumberer", or "Awful and Awfuller", you HAVE to get out and vote - whether it's for the lesser of two evils, or a minority party, or even an informal vote ("None of the above"). If people don't vote at all, then they become irrelevant to the party system - there is no point in framing policies and setting aside expenditure for people who won't be motivated to vote for or against the candidates; all that matters is appealing to the people who actually get out and vote. If people vote AGAINST the candidates that are presented, the parties have to take notice, because they will realise that these are votes that they might be able to win back.

I can understand the anger and feeling of impotence when the major parties seem to ignore the needs and will of the people, but copping out and leaving the decision-making to somebody else is not an option, as far as I am concerned.

[xelasnave]

I posted this on a site in USA just now...like sticking your hand in an ants nest .....

The post.....

I would think once one has everything one will probably seek immortality in the sence of being remembered such that your name goes into the history of the world.

And I would expect if you are at that level your desire would be to be remembered and held up as one of the greatest men to have lived.

I suspect that to reach that high point one will be seeking to do the very best and better than those both before and after you.

It would not surprise me if Trump seeks such high recognition.

Hopefully all will benefit if he keeps applying his talent to achieve that sort of success.

He clearly enjoys recognition for being the best and as president hopefully that will be to everyone's benefit.

And if we all remain positive and happy our share portfolios won't crash.

Alex

[The_bluester (Paul)]

The troubling thing to me was the rampant "Belief" he seemed to generate even in adherents here in Aus. Listening to the radio on my way home earlier this week someone called in on talkback and his statement was that he believed Trump would be a good president because he would "Get things done" and when the presenter challenged him on how he would do that the (Serious) response was that "Trump will get things done" when challenged a second time with a bit more detail along the lines of "What policy of Trump's will result in that" the response was the same "Trump will get things done, I don't know how, but he will"

The messianistic approach to politics troubles me, particularly as a portion seem to lap it up. You could draw parallels with Australia's political addiction to campaigning in three word slogans instead of policies.

[xelasnave]

Hi Paul

I think it reasonable to have faith in him given he is not a career politician and has just won the highest office in the world and beat everyone on his side and the other side spending less money and beating a media that did everything to turn public opinion against him.
He has talent.
Like Napoleon not being a Frenchman and becoming top dog.
Yes I do believe he can get things done and if I am correct he is seeking immortality to be remembered as the best.
That means he must deliver to everyone.
I bet he worked all that out before I did.

If he were such a fool as all would have him to be his victory speech would have been one you could expect from a meglamaniac..it was not.
It may have been written for him I don't know..if it was great he has arrived if he wrote it I say magnificent.
To be a leader you start with your mob and fight the next mob but a point comes where to lead you have to pull together them with us..he had started that process.

Promote calm lest not panic the markets.

Alex

[Nath2099]

Donald Trumps only talent is for ripping people off. It's how he made his fortune. Well that and populist sloganeering obviously...

It'll be interesting how it goes when he tells China "the US is only paying half its debt, if you want the rest, sue us", which is by all reports how he handles his business affairs. Superpowers don't tend to sue for what they want...

[Nath2099]

"It may have been written for him I don't know"

It sounds like he typed into Google "What to say when you win an election" and copied the first link verbatim.

[Ric]

So I hear that there is going to be a new national anthem for America.


The Benny Hill theme tune.

http://newsthump.com/2016/11/09/us-t...ny-hill-theme/

Works for me.

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by Ric

So I hear that there is going to be a new national anthem for America.


The Benny Hill theme tune.

http://newsthump.com/2016/11/09/us-t...ny-hill-theme/

Works for me.

Nah, it's too cheap and flippant for the occasion. I'd prefer something a bit more formal that set a tone appropriate to The Don - the theme from Get Smart comes to mind. Can't you just picture him striding to the stage to the strains of that rousing anthem. Of course for family occasions he could use the theme to The Addams Family.

[julianh72 (Julian)]

Originally Posted by Ric

So I hear that there is going to be a new national anthem for America.


The Benny Hill theme tune.

No - the "Looney Tunes" theme would be far more apt!

[PeterM]

Hysteria and very little talk about can he do a good political job as president. And tough anyways whatever we may think he is now the president and if he doesn't do a good job then he will be ... fired. He has many people to answer to and he can be removed from office.
But this thread has gone way off the OP posting. So is there any thoughts about how it may impact Astronomical products and pricing for us? The dollar is not that far off what it was and if US markets keep improving on his sprooked spending policies then the AUD may again become a 50cent peso, bad for Astrogear.