A great day for minorities

[xelasnave]

That is so upsetting.
Humans hurting other humans is just so very wrong.
I look at the cruelty in this world and I dispair.

Minorities need to learn to fight..physically fight.

And that sounds hard on a number of levels particularly when there is a high level of gentle folk who are GAY...deserved capitals ..but teaching a martial art like karate would be great.it is not only helpful for protection but gives confidence.

I said elsewhere I was bullied but could protect myself.
I was not GAY but was neat polite and taken to be sissy.

My mother told me sticks and stones may break my bones..but names will never hurt me..a.d.. my Grandfather taught me how to fight ..so early I don't know when..probably in the cradle knowing my Grandfather. He told me never to start a fight or I would get a flogging but if I ever list a fight someone else started expect a bigger flogging.
I started learning judo jujitsu and boxing at the police boys club...
Being a minority of one I had to throw the second punch so often...I had to tell grandfather each year the details of every fight...they always threw the first punch.
I learned how to duck the first punch.
I am a stronger character than many because of such adversity.
Nevertheless I did not like being called names or having to physically fght so often just because I was some how different.

[xelasnave]

Secondly...the Government should alter the marriage laws...and the church tell a better story...
Personally I would bring back hanging drawing and quartering..meet barbarism with barbarism...give victims respect, power, equality and vengeance via the law.
Twenty years ago it was worse for Gay folk. I had so much business from them simply cause they could see my acceptance whereas the competing were transparently non accepting.
Fortunately this region is accepting of all folk...minorities are the majority around here

[Kunama]

Originally Posted by chiaroscuro

When a heterosexual couple walks down the street hand-in-hand, past endless advertising billboards showing heterosexual couples hugging, kissing, lying in bed together... no-one bats an eyelid.
But if a gay couple walk down the street hand in hand, the best they can expect is disapproval from many, and the worst they can expect is physical violence - the justification being that they are shoving their "lifestyle" down other peoples throats.
.......

I do believe the attitudes have changed enormously over the past couple of decades. There is, however, a very long way to go until it will be seen by everyone as just normal human behaviour.

I still well remember Australians' attitudes toward us 'Wogs' when we arrived here in 1969. Much of that has certainly improved.

The most deep-seated attitudes unfortunately will never be altered and in my opinion the annual Gay & Les Mardi Gras does nothing to help that.

I have worked and socialised with people who later told me they were gay or les, knowing that made no difference to the opinions I had formed of them. In fact most of the gay people I have known over the years have been more ethical, considerate and in general more honest than many of those who consider themselves "normal".

[xelasnave]

And who said you should not have children at 50...
Best thing ever ..it's like another new better life.

[speach (Simon)]

Really it shouldn't matter, any more than myself saying I'm heterosexual. But it does, the world is full of bigots and people that believe that their view is the correct one. Look at religion all the fighting and crap that goes on in the name of god. If I had one wish, it would be that ALL religions stop. There is to be NO belief in god at all. god is wiped from our minds. Then we'd only have politicians mess us up, and no one believes them anywhy!

[xelasnave]

The alarming thing is if you get rid of religion what do you replace it with..
It is a great way to keep a majority law abiding..I think there may be folk who would not commit crime because of fear of god as plodded to fear of the law.
Seriously consider having to run the world would you get rid of it.

[RB (Andrew)]

Originally Posted by speach

If I had one wish, it would be that ALL religions stop. There is to be NO belief in god at all. god is wiped from our minds. Then we'd only have politicians mess us up, and no one believes them anywhy!

Thank God, you won't get your wish.

[xelasnave]

Humans are the problem not their belief in God.
Humans run it and use it to justify their actions.
God real or not gave humans free will.
That means one should take personal responsibility.
Just imagine if we could have humans reach that standard...be so much better.
Still the church must take control of who they control and get with the times..they are pretty backwards in all matter resex..but they could be responsible for many folk having bigoted views

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

Religion is a dangerous tool.
It only takes one power hungry preacher to rise in the ranks and all of a sudden,you have no religion just a feudal system.
Read Pillars of the Earth.
Religion also uses a book written by men to show the word of god.
Very suss.
Thankfully the more brutal aspects have been watered down in the west.
But people are still stoned in the middle East.
Interpretation is 9 tenths of the law.

[xelasnave]

It is bad all over.
I often plan utopia ..not many things left ..religion war pollution economic systems politics..but you still have all these humans you have to manage and as bad as it all is I have no idea what you could have in place.Stoning could be good if we used really small stones

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by kinetic

Humour is the best way to see all of our insecurities and prejudices
as they are.
Maybe this will clear up a few misconceptions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtgY1q0J_TQ

Steve

Absolutely brilliant, sums up all the ridiculous hangups veeeeeery nicely Thanks for posting.

Mike

[Octane (Humayun)]

lol @ that video.

H

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by MortonH

I'm only referring to the basic right of everyone to live without prejudice.

I'm not suggesting the "west" is perfect, far from it, but we've come a long way from the days of blatant discrimination based on race, orientation, etc. Other countries are on the same path but are further behind. And while I agree that we shouldn't impose our ideologies on others, that doesn't mean that people in those countries can't take inspiration from the West to further their own struggles.

I don't know. It would be nice to think we have actually progressed but I think in many respects we've just changed "labels". Prejudice is alive and well in the west. We discriminate on a hell of a lot of levels, Age, aesthetic appearance, income, suburb, dress.... you name it.

My wife and I are both highly qualified professionals and we're at the point of selling the lot and living in a shed at our dark site. There's bugger all that western lifestyle has to offer us that we're interested in anymore. In fact... it kinda disgusts me most of the time. The people in power both locally and nationally make me want to vomit and I can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would want to emulate our "success"

[xelasnave]

I worked in the divorce court turned me against letting humans live together ... But some have need...sorts turns on religious importance as well for some..I speculate .

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by el_draco

I don't know. It would be nice to think we have actually progressed but I think in many respects we've just changed "labels". Prejudice is alive and well in the west. We discriminate on a hell of a lot of levels, Age, aesthetic appearance, income, suburb, dress.... you name it.

My wife and I are both highly qualified professionals and we're at the point of selling the lot and living in a shed at our dark site. There's bugger all that western lifestyle has to offer us that we're interested in anymore. In fact... it kinda disgusts me most of the time. The people in power both locally and nationally make me want to vomit and I can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would want to emulate our "success"

You goto do it.
Bush dark sky no radio or tv and you do your thing...
It's like jumping off a moving train but it should end well.
I built my place made power got water etc and it is nice

[tonybarry (Tony)]

In 1806 the British government passed a law that stopped members of the country owning slaves.

Prior to that it was a matter of conscience whether a person owned a slave (or not).

Two centuries later we have come a long way. Now slavery is seen as unacceptable. Women have the vote. And gay folk are no longer forced to hide in the closet (although they are not treated equally as yet).

So i must argue against those who despair.

While progress is slow, I am both pleased and amazed at how much has happened in my life time. How much freedom has come to so many people.

We are not there yet. But it has come so far just in fifty years.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[PCH (Paul)]

Hey Tony,

On the subject of slavery alone, I recently saw that film "12 Years A Slave", and in a footnote at the end, it said there were currently around 140 million people in slavery around the world - more than at any other time in history.

So we may not be doing as well as you thought - sorry !

Originally Posted by tonybarry

In 1806 the British government passed a law that stopped members of the country owning slaves.

Prior to that it was a matter of conscience whether a person owned a slave (or not).

Two centuries later we have come a long way. Now slavery is seen as unacceptable. Women have the vote. And gay folk are no longer forced to hide in the closet (although they are not treated equally as yet).

So i must argue against those who despair.

While progress is slow, I am both pleased and amazed at how much has happened in my life time. How much freedom has come to so many people.

We are not there yet. But it has come so far just in fifty years.

Regards,
Tony Barry

[csb (Craig)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Humans are the problem not their belief in God.
Humans run it and use it to justify their actions.

So true. Guns don't kill, people do.

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Still the church must take control of who they control and get with the times..they are pretty backwards in all matter resex..but they could be responsible for many folk having bigoted views

Unfortunately, true also. Not really surprising though because the church is made of people after all.

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by el_draco

I don't know. It would be nice to think we have actually progressed but I think in many respects we've just changed "labels". Prejudice is alive and well in the west. We discriminate on a hell of a lot of levels, Age, aesthetic appearance, income, suburb, dress.... you name it.

My wife and I are both highly qualified professionals and we're at the point of selling the lot and living in a shed at our dark site. There's bugger all that western lifestyle has to offer us that we're interested in anymore. In fact... it kinda disgusts me most of the time. The people in power both locally and nationally make me want to vomit and I can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would want to emulate our "success"

Yes, the progress we've made so far represents only a few small steps in the right direction. But at least we've taken those steps and there is legislation designed to protect minorities in this country. In other parts of the world we could be thrown in jail just for having this debate.

[blink138 (Pat)]

so do you think that if every person in the world had a gun, no one would get killed?................... no my friend, make no mistake guns kill people!
pat