The Federal budget, it wasn't all bad

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

There are many high quality "brains" working on the NBN don't worry about that and to suggest otherwise proves a little ignorance . You can make derogatory claims all you want, it's easy... but having vision and guts is not

Mike

A vision is different from having a budget and proper planning. People in charge right now lack a brain and more importantly integrity. Again and again and again. It is embarrassing.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

A vision is different from having a budget and proper planning. People in charge right now lack a brain and more importantly integrity. Again and again and again. It is embarrassing.

All a matter of opinion that bit ... but the grand essence of the NBN is sound and worthwhile, how it is financially implemented is up for debate, sure but to down grade and slash its capability is simply a travesty!

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Only with a sit and wait, do nothing government

So, great, with the NBN, punters can download high speed porn at Broken Hill, but to actually drive safely on dual carriage-ways to a remote town in Australia remains a joke (I can say that with some experience, having just seen 1500km's of the Stuart Highway....)

Our lot are still talking about completing the Pacific Highway, yet Roosevelt started the USA's national highway program in the 1930's.

Talk about the cart before the horse.

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by LewisM

and figures speak loader than rhetoric.

What figures? What source? Have you seen the budget document maybe?

Do you know where and how much the Government is actually spending? By the way, I have no clue. I know how much tax I pay and that is very little actually, but then, I don't earn much either. It is very easy to say the country is in a mess, but where is the empirical evidence, or are people basing these beliefs on hearsay? I have no idea. And, if it is as bad as is said, why are people killing themselves in trying so desperately to get here.

The only thing I know for certain is how my own finances are; and frankly things are not that bad, sure they could be better, however, I do handle money well and make it work for me.

I don't see that things are as bad as you and others intimate. I keep hearing about how bad things are, however, they are far worse in other countries, I know, been there. Yes Lewis, things can always be better, I agree, but they could also be a hell-of-a-lot worse.

And I don't watch TV much either, I have better things to do too, like type lots of stuff here I don't read newspapers either and get all my news from the ABC and BBC websites, and furthermore, I don't believe half of it anyway and then doubt the other half.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

All a matter of opinion that bit ... but the grand essence of the NBN is sound and worthwhile, how it is financially implemented is up for debate, sure but to down grade and slash its capability is simply a travesty!

Mate, I'm not denying that a high speed network would be wonderful. No doubt about that. But it wasn't planned properly and its implementation is failure after failure. What's it up to now? $36bn or there about? How many people are connected today? I still can't get it... This is the latest in WA & QLD. Just another glitch? It's terrible. This thing is going to snowball like everything else because it wasn't budgeted correctly. That's the problem. Not the vision or its usefulness.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

So, great, with the NBN, punters can download high speed porn at Broken Hill, but to actually drive safely on dual carriage-ways to a remote town in Australia remains a joke (I can say that with some experience, having just seen 1500km's of the Stuart Highway....)

Our lot are still talking about completing the Pacific Highway, yet Roosevelt started the USA's national highway program in the 1930's.

Talk about the cart before the horse.

Crude inaccurate analogy Peter and I think you know it (surely??)

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Mate, I'm not denying that a high speed network would be wonderful. No doubt about that. But it wasn't planned properly and its implementation is failure after failure. What's it up to now? $36bn or there about? How many people are connected today? I still can't get it... This is the latest in WA & QLD. Just another glitch? It's terrible. This thing is going to snowball like everything else because it wasn't budgeted correctly. That's the problem. Not the vision or its usefulness.

Ahhh, so now the silly name calling is over () a little bit of sense is creeeeping in it's ok to say an idea the other team has does have merit...it gets easier the more you practise

Mike

[KenGee (Kenith Gee)]

It's clear that there are a few Tony Fanboys posting. Isn't demo-crazy great even people without a clue get to vote!

During the height of the mining boom when the country is rolling in cash did the Libs think to help out the disabled? in 20 years time the tiny deficient this government has run in the middle of a global financial downturn will be forgotten.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by KenGee

It's clear that there are a few Tony Fanboys posting. Isn't demo-crazy great even people without a clue get to vote!

During the height of the mining boom when the country is rolling in cash did the Libs think to help out the disabled? in 20 years time the tiny deficient this government has run in the middle of a global financial downturn will be forgotten.

It is incredible huh Ken, I shake my head at the partisan short sightedness

Go the full NBN

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Ahhh, so now the silly name calling is over () a little bit of sense is creeeeping in it's ok to say an idea the other team has does have merit...it gets easier the more you practise

Mike

No, nothing has changed. Nothing to do with common sense. It's not a matter of libs or labour or green or independents or whatever. The people in charge whichever side haven't got a clue on how to manage money or any business sense for that matter. This is a fact. It's been proven again and again. I call a donkey a donkey.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

I call a donkey a donkey.

Better a Donkey than standing idle by the side of the road watching the cars zoom past

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Better a Donkey than standing idle by the side of the road watching the cars zoom past

You don't like cows? We've got a couple in the top jobs.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

You don't like cows? We've got a couple in the top jobs.

I think a donkey is still faster than a cow...was good enough for Mary to carry Jesus on

So, you just want to change cows..right?

Ok this is just getting silly

All harmless fun...as long as we get a good fast NBN

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Crude inaccurate analogy Peter and I think you know it (surely??)

Sorry, don't see your point.

I'd rather see some serious asphalt highways...or high speed rail... laid with the first five months of my wages, taken from me this year via tax, long before some lame digital "superhighway" that can download a movie on 60 seconds..

I'd add a B-Triple on the wrong side of the road can, and does, end the lives of many in a little under a second.

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by multiweb

What's it up to now? $36bn or there about?

$36 billion. You make it sound like it is a massive amount of money. For a little perspective, remember the Australian economy is a 1.5 trillion dollar a year economy. So 36b isn't a huge amount in comparison, particularly when you consider that spread over several years.

Cheers Peter

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

Sorry, don't see your point.

Ah yes you do, you're just too proud...let go, it feels good

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by multiweb

No, nothing has changed. Nothing to do with common sense. It's not a matter of libs or labour or green or independents or whatever. The people in charge whichever side haven't got a clue on how to manage money or any business sense for that matter. This is a fact. It's been proven again and again. I call a donkey a donkey.

That's wide ranging statement! That's simply not true, many in politics have business and other degrees. Some are even Doctors. Are they fit to run the country? Probably not, too many fingers in the pie, every one of them trying to push their pet projects. No wonder it appears to be a mess. Doesn't actually mean it is. For some real perspective, try going to poor and underdeveloped countries, then you will see how lucky we really are. A good case in point, look at the two Koreas. Chalk and cheese economically, but essentially the same country, just different ideologies. How about the Middle East; is that better or worse than Australia?

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else really, with the only exception maybe being Canada.

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Ah yes you do, you're just too proud...let go, it feels good

Aye currumba...talk about take a horse to water...

Things that make my life good:

Health (which includes clean air (though the air I breathe out is taxed ) and clean water)
Education
Transport (which doesn't include gridlock)
.....

...99 places later

Being able to download content 3x faster than I am now....

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

Aye currumba...talk about take a horse to water...

Things that make my life good:

Health (which includes clean air (though the air I breathe out is taxed ) and clean water)
Education
Transport (which doesn't include gridlock)
.....

...99 places later

Being able to download content 3x faster than I am now....

Yes, that's right, all = "no vision"

[Paul Haese]

this is such a laugh.

Two things need observation. If the economy is in such good shape why have the reserve bank dropped interest rates consistently for the last three years? It is now currently at 30 year lows. They only do this if the economy is struggling. Other sectors are showing recession. Fact!

Secondly based on the former one should cut back on ones spending before going to the bank once more and finding nothing in the account. Economics 101. 7 years of deficits don't show fiscal management.