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Old 25-10-2009, 07:22 PM
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Dont forget there is a lot more out there than illegal movie downloads. I torrent, and i torrent free to air tv shows on the day of their release in the USA. I also watch a lot of docos etc. I generally hate tv but there is some excellent stuff out there aside from the mindless garbage they put on tv here in Oz.
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Old 25-10-2009, 07:52 PM
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Why would a home user need so much download? I have a bigpond 12g limit (includes uploads) and don't reach that ever. This is even with my son playing online games. I do restrict video watching and we don't download illegal movies etc. The movies are better quality from the video shop anyway.
How did I do it ;

I'm fed up with crappyvision .

I've torrented (downloaded) :
5 eps of Stargate Universe (1080p version files are 1.1Gb each) , 7 and 10 Networks are so broke they will probably never take up the franchise of SU )
10 eps of Defying Gravity (HD version files are 360Mb each) .... likely will never be aired here.
S01 of Andromeda (the file is 8Gb) .... will never be aired here .
Add the uploads that happen while downloading these torrents (7Gb)

iView stuff from ABC (downloads)
some Torchwood Eps
some Doctor Who Eps
4Corners
Hornblower Eps
(my IP counts these , I believe some other IPs don't).


That's how I accumulated about 29Gb of downloads this month .... is easy to do on ADSL , and would be even easier on ADSL2.

I've friends in the USA who say most IPs allow unlimited downloads (no shaping , no charges for excess downloads) and limiting if it happens is at levels like 100Gb..... We're being ripped off here , especially by Telstra .



No movie downloads .... yet .... but if I find a movie I want to see , I'll not think twice about torrenting it . I object to paying through the nose to see them at the pictures , and usually wait for the movie to go to DVD and hire it for a night . Even better if it go onto FTA TV , taped lots of movies that way.

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Old 25-10-2009, 07:59 PM
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My son play's Roblox online and when i look at the usage meter i see he downloaded about 100Mb per hour.
Then my doughter is on youtube and watches about another 60Mb per hour.
I am with iinet and the uploads are not counted but a lot of times we get capped at the end of the month in the peakhour slot.
I normally download missed tv episodes with bitorrent in the offpeak zone.
To make it short, Australia is so behind with broadband, i can't even get adsl2 where i am.
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Old 26-10-2009, 12:03 PM
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You guys clearly watch too much TV.
I'd be lucky to watch 2 hours/week including the news. you need to spend more time under the stars.
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Old 26-10-2009, 12:30 PM
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I can quite easily use up download limit if I'm checking out new linux flavours (an ISO can easily be 600MB) and I'll often grab more than one at a time (especially with *buntu releases).

Browsing youtube can easily chew up limit and the wife likes to watch some tv shows direct from the tv channel's website if she misses the show on tv.

Download limit is like allocated time to a job, you'll fill it up rather than the opposite.
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Old 26-10-2009, 12:34 PM
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A classic example. I just watched the first episode of storm chasers season 3 and i will have the second episode by tonight. If your lucky Oz may see these in a year or so.
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Old 26-10-2009, 12:48 PM
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A classic example. I just watched the first episode of storm chasers season 3 and i will have the second episode by tonight. If your lucky Oz may see these in a year or so.
Yeah, we watched series one of the "Legend of The Seeker" adaption last year by grabbing them from the net. I have no idea when they'll get shown here. In fact the second series is about to be aired in the US, around the 7th of November.
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Old 26-10-2009, 01:42 PM
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You guys clearly watch too much TV.
I'd be lucky to watch 2 hours/week including the news. you need to spend more time under the stars.
Yep.... probably .... weather has been rotten for stargazing for ages, or too dusty or too smokey (bushfires or hazard reduction burns somewhere nearby) and it's pointless going fishing September to end of November, and I don't go square dancing as much as I used to (something I plan on rectifying next year .... it's great exercise and I miss it and the people) and I'm retired.

I've become a real Norm lately and need to do something about it.
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Old 27-10-2009, 08:04 AM
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Yes OZ is behind the rest of the world.
I use TPG and for $49.99 per month, I receive 40GB Peak and 40GB Offpeak.
If I use more, they slow me down to dial up for the rest of the month.
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Old 27-10-2009, 12:41 PM
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TBH, this was on of the first things i noticed when i came down under, the internet service.

i was used to a 50mb connection in the UK (yeah, thats 50mbs) with unlimited download or shaping, all for a reasonable price. Coming here it seems that your price is on the high side compared to the rest of the world, and some cheeky ISP's (Telstra) even count your upstream traffic as data usage!) But thats only because of the geographical location of Oz ... its so far away from anywhere !!

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How does anyone exceed 29gig in a month? I have 1 gig peak and 4 off peak and have never exceeded either. What do people download????
Paul, i have 2 internet accounts, and i do about 350Gb a month. What do people download? well, i download alot of my old British TV in HD, mainly stuff like the Premiership, and Top Gear etc.

it does get used ....



ADDENDUM :

Something that you do seem to have here, is awful upload speeds, i have an 8mb cable line, its not bad, i can hit about 6.5Mbs on it, and thats pretty good, but what annoys me, is the upload speed, its 8000/480 which quite frankly is awful, it should be closer to 8000/2000, i quizzed my ISP about it, and they said "why would you need more than 48K upload speed?" and it annoyed me that they shouldnt be telling me what i do and dont need, i told them there are 4 people in my house, using it at the same time, moving files around, and 48K just doesnt cut it. After much debating, they informed me that it was cut right back to throttle on torrent speeds.
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Old 27-10-2009, 03:18 PM
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ADDENDUM :

Something that you do seem to have here, is awful upload speeds, i have an 8mb cable line, its not bad, i can hit about 6.5Mbs on it, and thats pretty good, but what annoys me, is the upload speed, its 8000/480 which quite frankly is awful, it should be closer to 8000/2000, i quizzed my ISP about it, and they said "why would you need more than 48K upload speed?" and it annoyed me that they shouldnt be telling me what i do and dont need, i told them there are 4 people in my house, using it at the same time, moving files around, and 48K just doesnt cut it. After much debating, they informed me that it was cut right back to throttle on torrent speeds.
Yeah. Upload speeds are annoyingly slow here. What most people may not realise is that for every bit of data you download there is some form of data upload, most often ACK/NAK transactions for file transfers. Having a fast upload actually helps with download speed.

We host our own servers here at work and have to pat extra to get a fast upload speed which really sucks.
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Old 27-10-2009, 04:10 PM
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Wouldn't do for BigPond customers to be able torrent / upload in an unthrottled manner when they want you to take up IPTV and IPMovies (at an extra cost).

I noticed woeful speeds when I was downloading course notes via Blackboard last year too, at the tme I put it down to the university servors being congested or just plain slow.... not so sure now.

I suspect the same applies for other ADSL and ADSL2 IPs as well.

I will definitely be giving BigPond the flick when my broadband contract is done. I'm not a satisfied customer. I wanted a standalone ADSL / ADSL2 plan when I took it up but there were none on my area then.
That's what I'll be looking for next time, along with a more generous download limit.
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Old 27-10-2009, 08:55 PM
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Yeah. Upload speeds are annoyingly slow here. What most people may not realise is that for every bit of data you download there is some form of data upload, most often ACK/NAK transactions for file transfers.
TCP doesn't do NAKs, only ACKs.

The upload speed doesn't matter much if you are only downloading.

Read Stevens "TCP Illustrated: Volume 1". Run wireshark for a while and see what traffic a single download generates. There is an exponential backoff in ACK packets until it can reach one ACK per window (probably 64K bytes). That's one 40 byte packet up for multiple 1492 byte packets (assuming LLC/SNAP encapsulation) down. Selective ACK can reduce that even further.

Unless of course you get lost packets when duplicate ACKs trigger retransmissions. The protocol aims to minimise the number of retransmissions and stop the pipe from draining.

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We host our own servers here at work and have to pat extra to get a fast upload speed which really sucks.
Now that does require upload bandwidth, and you will pay a lot more for SDSL. At least it's a deductable business expense.
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Old 27-10-2009, 10:16 PM
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Andrew - a better modem like a Cisco will handle things better I believe.

If people aren't happy with upload speeds, then go get a synchronous connection (SHDSL). Ain't cheap ;-) Normal ADSL is not synchronous, hence the meaning of the acronym (asynchronous digital subscriber line). Some ISPs can turn a normal ADSL connection into a pseudo symmetrical line for you (we do it, an extra $50/month on top of a normal connection).

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