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Old 08-10-2009, 11:02 PM
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I watched HHIS once , many years ago , and only once , I decided it was rubbish , never watched it since.

Who cares if some american might be offended by something done or said on the show .... it's a storm in a teacup.

Public correctness gone amuck .... again.
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:03 PM
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I still say it's rubbish!!
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:39 PM
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I just think people need to grow thicker skins. Seriously. I haven't seen the skit in question, but I do remember them doing it 20 odd years ago. Harry Connick Jr needs to stick to what he does best - music. Political correctness gone mad.

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Old 09-10-2009, 08:59 AM
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Well It seems Harry is a hypoctrite with ACA showing him doing a comedy skit in a movie in 1996 dressed as a black preist.
Also to mention that the singer in the cotraversial Hey Hey act is an Anglo Indian.
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:39 AM
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Red Symons had done some research and gave a good presentation on the issue and everything around it this morning. I'll see if the Podcast becomes available and I'll post. I understood him to say that, though the performance was not a great problem in the Australian context and from an Australian cultural perspective, it would have been better if such a performance did not take place.
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I watched the "offending" item with my partner. She laughed. I didn't, but that's just because I prefer my humour dry and with a twist of lemon. (I found the resulting discomfiture more funny.) I'm not sure what I think, but I can't say I find the fact that one of the performers has Indian background particularly relevant. And I think Harry Connick Jnr handled it pretty well. Maybe Daryl did too. There's a lot of insensitive racism around still. There's also a lot of hyperstrident piety around too. The former is more Australian, but I can't say I like either. (When I was a kid, if you had a black labrador, I remember chances were it was going to be called Nigger. I've also worked on APY lands, and not a lot has changed.) Perhaps the closest I feel about this issue is summed up in this article from the Age:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/hey...1008-gowg.html
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:01 AM
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Considering White America are the pioneers of enslaving African Americans (as far as I know), I think they should not look down on us at such a petty and innocent performance.

Are these guys (in the Hey Hey skit) members of KKK? No. Most of them were actually ethnic themselves, half Australian or less. Their intentions were clearly for a light hearted laugh, to re-enact a skit they performed 20 years earlier as med students.

Oh well, at least Harry got alot of publicity.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:44 AM
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If I have my information correct the bloke who played MJ was an Indian Plastic Surgeon who was in 'white face' pretending to be a black man who looked like a white man in real life.

The irony was not lost on me.
Pure gold, and the irony of this is more humorous than the skit was to me

If Harry wasn't there judging, this whole thing would have gone over without any controversy or second thought. However, when having a guest from a different culture (and YES, Aussies and Americans have a different culture as is apparent from this skit), hey hey should have been more thoughtful with regards to the act.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:11 PM
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Highlighting the differences

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YES, Aussies and Americans have a different culture as is apparent from this skit.
Isn't there, separate from racial discrimination, cultural discrimination ??

The HHIS skit can be argued as being mostly ethnic discrimination, and not either cultural discrimination nor racially discriminatory.

I.e. Cultural discrimination is like, say, indigenous aboriginals are not allowed to hunt for turtles even though it has been traditionally their significant food source and custom. Racial discrimination a belief of superiority of their race over another race of people, whose actions deliberately exclude one individual or group over another. Yet ethnic discrimination, however, in about observed differences in ethnicity in human populations based how people speak, their adopt tongue, behaviour traits, foods, etc.

The skit on HHIS was certainly aimed to be a parody (defined as "...an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect"), which is a particular type of humour. Good examples are like the Greek "Con the Fruiter" I.e. Close Encountersor like the old "Acropolis Now" (Effie), or even "The Wog Boys" with Nick Giannopoulos and Vince Colosimo, etc. In Australia, of the 1970s and 1980s often parodied these ethnic groups, I.e. Ted Bullpit "Kingswood Country", and were instead in turn (response), also parodied by themselves. Twenty years ago such comedy was viewed as fairly innocent, but since then Society has taken a different path.

Even recently, another parody program was the Islamic based "Salam Cafe" (2008) on SBS, and is still on TVS / Channel 31. (A sample appears at Salam Cafe: Uncle Sam. [YouTube page has amazingly disabled all comments. I wonder why?] or Salam Cafe - Working With A Muslim A program like this could never be shown in America.

But in America, the changing ethnicity was much earlier, whose ethnic groups were well established. I.e. Italians and Irish, then later the Hispanics, etc. With the large population of African Americans, the differences between all the ethnic groups. Martin Luther King Jr. polarised the inequality, which profoundly changed the American culture. The significant American parody was the TV series "All in the Family" and had Archie Bunker (actor Carroll O'Connor) An example is All in the Family - Archie Bunker Meets Sammy Davis - it would never be shown on either Australian American TV now. (Makes HHIS controversy look quite lame.) Amazingly, the show seasons ran between 1971 and 1983!

Yet, unlike Australia, America had no real reverse parodies from the other ethnic groups, and it is for this reason I reckon why racial discrimination buried any necessary balance to honestly laughing at our differences between groups of people, then moving on. IMO the do-gooders have disappointedly in trying to right the world, but have instead made the divisions between all ethnic groups even wider.

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The original parody of HHIS of was mostly from the Jackson's songs "ABC" and "I Want You Back"
"ABC"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-16fDpOW948
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYx3BR2aJA4

"I Want You Back"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJu_Bom2sA

As you can easily see, the parody by the Jackson impersonators if quite close to the mark. Although acted and sung poorly, I can see the point of their parody, and I'm sure it was done innocently.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:26 PM
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much ado about nothing
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:16 PM
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:07 PM
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Hi All,

They need to grow up.

Storm in a tea cup.

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Old 10-10-2009, 11:16 PM
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For those who were offended, take a chill pill, get a thicker skin, lighten up. Who cares if a yank got offended by it ?

So what if Connick Jnr parents were civil rights activist....good on them. But don't bring USA's moral highground to AU and what is acceptable and what is not. Why should we have a guilt complex on slavery or how $h*t America treated the blacks for all those years.
The skit was not racist, was not intended to be racist, there was no malice or hate in it. If anything, maybe poor judgement in this day and age.

Political correctness gone mad.:screwy :.
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:08 PM
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Political correctness /emporer's new clothes

Political correctness is all about appeasing the most minority views on the assumption that they are somehow victims of discrimination . The majority (in this case that the skit was there for the purpose of a cheap laugh) are ignored because they are assumed to be oppressing those with minority views . And to think I naively thought we lived under a democratic system - silly me.

Some people think they are SUPPOSED to be offended by some things. They believe what they think they are supposed to believe .

Yes, I am politically incorrect ....... and proud of it. The emporer is not really getting new clothes - he is just a foolish dork - like Harry Connick Jnr.
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