"2009 Ice In Space Almanac" - the coffee table book? - Page 4

PeterM · #61 22-06-2009, 11:29 PM

Terrific idea.
I'm in for a copy.
Wearing black hat...
Legals / liabilities to consider? i.e. disclaimers, copyrights etc.
GST / Accounting type issues to consider?
Wearing white hat....
Keep it simple, but keep it as an informative, beautiful expose of the fine talents on this site.
PeterM.

erick (Eric) · #62 22-06-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AstroJunk

It's going to need a built in screen so that I can add some asteroidal occultation videos.

Will that effect the price?

Your page might just be a detachable CD/DVD?

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #63 22-06-2009, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterM

Terrific idea.
I'm in for a copy.
Wearing black hat...
Legals / liabilities to consider? i.e. disclaimers, copyrights etc.
GST / Accounting type issues to consider?
Wearing white hat....
Keep it simple, but keep it as an informative, beautiful expose of the fine talents on this site.
PeterM.

Thanks Peter

Not too sure that I can see any copyright problems that hit me immediately - certainly none to defend anyway. All material contained within would be copyright 2009 Ice in Space and contributing authors. Short blurb on image capture technique for main image and description of gear used - nothing sensitive. As far as accounting goes, that'd be up to Mike and crew to detail as it would be no different to the method by which he sells, distributes and funds his beanies.

Lismore Bloke (Paul) · #64 23-06-2009, 07:55 AM

Count me in too, if the excellent idea gets off the ground. Chris's initial layouts are a great starting point. I'm a printer by trade, although our small family firm is not into hardback book production, the sorts of questions printers will ask are:

1. Number of copies.
2. Number of pages.
3. Binding method: hard case, burst bound etc.
4. Size of pages: A4, or square, such as 280x280mm which will
cut out of standard size stock without too much waste.
5. Type and thickness of paper.

I have access to the Adobe suite of page layout programs and am very
familiar with the types and standards of PDF files that printers require for production, if that is any help.

Lismore Bloke (Paul) · #65 23-06-2009, 08:09 AM

Thinking further on this. It is almost time for the site moderators to have a brainstorming session and decide on a few of the basic parameters. Copies, size, pages, content etc and obtain some quotes so that everyone knows the costings involved. If enough members want the idea to succeed enough to make it work then a definite commitment to donate can be made with facts before us. Otherwise this great idea will remain just that: an idea that never got off the ground. We should not expect Mike and the guys to bankroll this.

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #66 23-06-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lismore Bloke

I have access to the Adobe suite of page layout programs and am very
familiar with the types and standards of PDF files that printers require for production, if that is any help.

Thanks - and I'm ex prepress, so all of that is covered. I do appreciate the heads-up though!

I also have both chem and 3DAP-compliant digital proofing systems at my disposal. Writing software to automate the preflighting of PDF files to printer/publisher mechanical spec is what I do - magazine (200+ line screen) included.

With all that in mind, I'm looking into Rabbit Photo-style short-run printing services today. They provide dedicated services which are hard to beat in terms of cost-effectiveness. As I said, 40-odd page hard cover books, one-off, for tens of dollars. Pretty impressive. I gather they'd be using Indigo short-run digital presses - digital end to end.

http://www.rabbitphoto.com.au/photobooks.htm

I've seen a few hard cover examples that friends and family of mine have had done, for wedding albums and such, and they are simply brilliant.

Anyway - I'll get some per-page pricing today, and this will give us ballpark figures to work with.

iceman (Mike) · #67 23-06-2009, 08:15 AM

I'm happy for the idea to continue to evolve with discussion for the time being. The thread hasn't even been going for a day yet, so there's plenty of time.

If we do decide to go ahead with it, I would expect that IceInSpace would pay the upfront costs, and people would then buy it afterwards for IceInSpace to recover the costs.

It just depends on the upfront cost, the price it would be sold for, how to guarantee we sell enough copies to recover the costs, etc.

It's also going to be a LOT of work pulling it all together. I don't think that part can be under stated.

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #68 23-06-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by iceman

I'm happy for the idea to continue to evolve with discussion for the time being. The thread hasn't even been going for a day yet, so there's plenty of time.

If we do decide to go ahead with it, I would expect that IceInSpace would pay the upfront costs, and people would then buy it afterwards for IceInSpace to recover the costs.

It just depends on the upfront cost, the price it would be sold for, how to guarantee we sell enough copies to recover the costs, etc.

It's also going to be a LOT of work pulling it all together. I don't think that part can be under stated.

Costs can be managed on a per-order basis Mike. If, for example, five members order copies this week, we have five printed off and mailed out directly from the service bureau. You won't need to carry stock, as such. This is digital printing, and it's only (slightly!!!) more expensive to do one-offs.

iceman (Mike) · #69 23-06-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

Costs can be managed on a per-order basis Mike. If, for example, five members order copies this week, we have five printed off and mailed out directly from the service bureau. You won't need to carry stock, as such. This is digital printing, and it's no more expensive to do one-offs.

Yeh, if using the Rabbit Photo service, then that's definitely the safest option for everyone.

Not having to carry stock = win!

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #70 23-06-2009, 08:29 AM

Only problem I could see with Rabbit, per se, is that they will want to supply you with a pre-determined set of templates to work from - which won't suit. I'd prefer to typeset the entire thing the way we want it and not be limited by their accepted method. However - this doesn't mean that they won't still print the publication the way we've designed it. I'm speaking to them soon - so I'll let everyone know what the caveats are. There are quite a few prepress houses around that do digital printing on Indigo presses.

iceman (Mike) · #71 23-06-2009, 08:32 AM

I'll speak to Anthony (Bird) too - I think he's part of the company that does the software for the photo kiosks. Not sure if it's the kiosks Rabbit uses.

He might have some ideas or alternatives.

lacad01 (Adam) · #72 23-06-2009, 08:50 AM

In terms of up front costs, if people are really keen, might be a good opportunity to make use of the "Donate" facility below the time zone secton...or is that strictly limited for the development of the IIS web site ?

Alchemy (Clive) · #73 23-06-2009, 09:29 AM

looks like its taking off, it would be nice to have a book to see whos who on IIS and what they do

i keep posting without knowing anything about so many here.

Lismore Bloke (Paul) · #74 23-06-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

Costs can be managed on a per-order basis Mike. If, for example, five members order copies this week, we have five printed off and mailed out directly from the service bureau. You won't need to carry stock, as such. This is digital printing, and it's only (slightly!!!) more expensive to do one-offs.

The Indigo production method is ideal. Looking forward to further details. If Ice In Space is prepared to cover production costs, as is proposed, it would seem to be fair that Mike and Terry and possible the moderators, act as an editorial panel. Determining content is going to take time and might forestall possible arguments.

ving (David) · #75 23-06-2009, 01:40 PM

hey guys, this is a great idea... i recon tho just a coffee table type book of pictures only...

I have done such a thing myself of pictures thru an online publisher... have a look at these 2 sites, they are reasonably priced and the quality is ok too

www.blurb.com
www.lulu.com

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #76 23-06-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ving

hey guys, this is a great idea... i recon tho just a coffee table type book of pictures only...

I have done such a thing myself of pictures thru an online publisher... have a look at these 2 sites, they are reasonably priced and the quality is ok too

www.blurb.com
www.lulu.com

Not enough creative freedom I don't think David. You choose from templates, which won't work.

Marclau (Marcel) · #77 23-06-2009, 09:12 PM

And what about a nice 12" or 16" DOB as the Centrefold.............sorry, I could'nt resist.........

Have you guys also thought of a possible calendar as well?

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #78 23-06-2009, 09:21 PM

I'd buy a calender!
Sounds like a good fund raiser too.

Darth Wader (Wade) · #79 23-06-2009, 09:27 PM

I'd definitely be interested too

BerrieK · #80 23-06-2009, 09:37 PM

A calender, what a good idea!! I'm not buying any lamingtons though

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Kerrie