Hi Gazz. I found them both about 2 weeks ago, but not in one night. Fringe dweller (Kearn) posted a couple of charts here for me, which helped narrow the search down. But I ended up pin pointing them using my 'celestia' program. I found Neptune quicker to find than Uranus...only because I kept going out with the chart and basically learning the positions of the stars in the constellation that neptune was in until I was certain I knew the position of it. After dragging out the scope, I think it took all of 3 minute's to home in on it. I used my 6" achro refractor. At about 300X I certainly could distinguish it as a very small disc. Have a look here: