Vista Death Watch - Page 4

Zuts · #61 22-01-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jay019

No, I am saying that ms did not write their own OS. They may have added to the Patterson DOS, but realisticaly, they did not write an operating system, just extended one. DOS was still a base up till XP, and from what I hear Vista is built ontop of a FreeBSD base, so explain how they wrote their own OS, I dont understand.

Jay

XP, Win2K, NT are pre-emptive 32 bit multitasking OS, explain to me please how they built them on top of DOS a sixteen bit real mode OS with a few hooks to the interupt table (int 21h). Go and look at the source for Kernel.exe and then tell me how much DOS code you can find in that!

Paul

edwardsdj (Doug) · #62 22-01-2008, 10:52 AM

The Windows NT line of operating systems was a completely new line of operating systems developed by Microsoft in parallel with the MS-DOS/Windows 95/98/ME line. Windows NT was for business; Windows 95 for home users.

They hired a group of developers from Digital Equipment Corporation who developed the VMS operating system. Consequently there are many similarities between VMS and Windows NT.

Windows 2000 (Windows NT 5) was the first version where MS ceased to market the two separate product lines and release a single operating system for both home and business users.

Windows XP (Windows NT 5.1) was a minor evolution of Windows 2000. The main difference was the change away from the serious business-looking interface to a more game system/toy feel which appealed to a wider user base.

Windows Vista (Windows NT 6) is the latest evolution of the Windows NT line.

Windows NT has nothing to do with DOS or FreeBSD. It has more in common with VMS as Microsoft poached the VMS development team from DEC to develop it.

The history of Windows NT is well documented on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

Sonia · #63 23-01-2008, 01:05 AM

I do not like Vista one bit, MSN don't like it, uploading photos on facebook is a no no on Firefox have to use IE and IE sometimes is a no no for internet so have to use firefox. aaaaargh!

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #64 23-01-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonia

I do not like Vista one bit, MSN don't like it, uploading photos on facebook is a no no on Firefox have to use IE and IE sometimes is a no no for internet so have to use firefox. aaaaargh!

You might have done something dodgy to your own computer Sonia. I use two Vista desktops at home, with both running Firefox 2.0.0.11 and both have no problem with either FaceBook or DogBook.

"MSN" don't like it? May I ask what that means? They likely have to update some code to fall in line with everyone else... Poor souls....

Sonia · #65 23-01-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

You might have done something dodgy to your own computer Sonia. I use two Vista desktops at home, with both running Firefox 2.0.0.11 and both have no problem with either FaceBook or DogBook.

"MSN" don't like it? May I ask what that means? They likely have to update some code to fall in line with everyone else... Poor souls....

Its a dell laptop i got free from AOL, when tony signed up and he gave me the laptop and i havnt installed anything except firefox and the things you have to use.

Regarding MSN, if someone sends me a piccy, when its uploaded, i try to upload the piccie and it crashes. So i have to go into my recieved files to open it to stop it from doing that.

jay019 · #66 24-01-2008, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuts

Go and look at the source for Kernel.exe and then tell me how much DOS code you can find in that!

Paul

Yeah, cause being open source anyone can go and take a peek.

Although looking at the OpenVMS source would suffice, seeing as NT is a clone of that.

Zuts · #67 24-01-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jay019

Yeah, cause being open source anyone can go and take a peek.

Although looking at the OpenVMS source would suffice, seeing as NT is a clone of that.

I guess you misunderstand the term open source. Open source means you are free to look, (sometimes change) and use for your own purpose code published under an open source license. Microsoft is not open source so you cant rip off the code and sell your own version of windows. You can however view the source. This is usually done to debug your application against the various windows API's and virtual machines.

The fact that VMS has the word open in it does not imply that it is open source. Of course this will mean little to you as you seem to like spamming this thread with half baked untrue suppositions. Compaq would of course sue anyone who used VMS source in an open source manner.

Windows is no more a clone of VMS than it is a clone of the original MAC Os. It contains some ideas not 'cloned lines of code'. Anyway i compliment you on your trolling style, yesterday windows was built on DOS, today it is a clone of VMS. Why dont you actually go and do some reading on the subject before enlightening us with your next wild suggestion.

Paul

jay019 · #68 24-01-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuts

Microsoft is not open source so you cant rip off the code and sell your own version of windows. You can however view the source. This is usually done to debug your application against the various windows API's and virtual machines.

So how does one get access to the source code? Got a link?

Zuts · #69 24-01-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jay019

So how does one get access to the source code? Got a link?

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/s...g/default.mspx

jay019 · #70 25-01-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuts

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/s...g/default.mspx

But in order to even look at the source code you have to sign up which I doubt is free. So for a student to look at the source code is basically impossible unless said student has a heap of money to throw away.

Nevermind, doesnt change the fact that I was wrong about the DOS base.
But in a few years time when windows 7 is released vista will still be rembered as the failure that it is.

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #71 25-01-2008, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jay019

Nevermind, doesnt change the fact that I was wrong about the DOS base.
But in a few years time when windows 7 is released vista will still be rembered as the failure that it is.

Your lack of experience and bumbling of your facts might preclude you somewhat from making sensible and informed calls that this sort of statement demands. Don't take this personally - but statements like that might serve to label you. Vista will succeed. XP did. You have the biggest software giant in the world behind it and you will be absolutely sure that they wont let it fail because of misinformation that you seem to like spreading. Your personal experience with it may have been a negative one, but there are millions of people out there using it who will disagree. When all the hardware and software vendors who have been too lazy to ensure that their own offerings are compatible come to the party for YOU, not Microsoft, then you might enjoy the fruits of their labour a little more.

To me, an IT professional, (I.T. Manager of Development Services) Vista has been the main catalyst in getting me to put MS gear into our organisation. Finally, and I mean finally, Vista's networking attributes have been standardised and now these desktop units can happily co-exist within our Unix, Linux and Mac graphical environment. Under XP they were a complete pain. Stable? I haven't restarted a Vista box (we have 19 of them) in nearly 3 months. Pretty bloody good in my book.